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A sasquatch type creature (unlike intelligent extraterrestrial life) is pretty much mostly accepted to have existed......... at least in the past, and in the old world.........

Once discovery happens, we'll take a victory lap for a month or so and then shutdown the BFF for new posts. Maybe leave the Tarpit open.

And there is the rub. Many of the celebrity types don’t want discovery for that reason. If discovery happened? An army of primatologists are going to descend on the subject. Most of these celebrities are not primatologists and will be shoved aside. As for gullible people? I think your right about them, plus the fact that most people are no longer in touch with nature. I see YouTube videos all the time of people calling Mule deer an Elk. Or vice versa. That’s the root of their gullibility. They just don’t know anything. And so having the ability to separate wheat from chaff is entirely lost to them. Thanks. I’ve never understood the fascination with plaster casts. If I was ever on a fresh track? I would want to pursue it. Not sit down and break out dental resin.

That’s the thing, though. The people who would do something like that are not the people who hoaxers and Bigfoot celebrities try and appeal to…. The people who buy the merchandise and watch the Discovery shows are the same people who believe a lot of really outlandish claims hook, line, and sinker. At the end of the day, they are not really interested in proving the existence of these creatures. They are interested in participating in a sub-culture that makes them feel like they belong. They are the same people who argue over reposted photos on Facebook and make statements of absolute certainty like ‘Bigfoot would never do this because…’. Bigfoot celebrities are not going to make a living off of people who are seriously involved in the pursuit of evidence of these creatures. They WILL make a buck off of the lady with the Bigfoot soap dish who believes every Facebook lie to be true. People are either not going to alienate their market or they just don’t want to spend all of their time arguing over possible hoaxes. BTW, that’s a great analogy about the buck casts.

Probably because they are spending their time on their own efforts and research instead of tilting at windmills trying to eliminate any trace of hoaxing from the Bigfoot world. Cause that’s never going to happen. Hoaxing is bad and hurts the overall credibility of the field, but what are you going to do about it? The people who completely believe someone like Khat Hansen are obviously either gullible as heck or want to believe so very, very badly that they will swallow any crazy Bigfoot narrative that comes along. You spend all of your time debunking someone like her…only to have 2 more pop up in the meantime. There are always going to be exceptions to that rule, like Standing. Something that is a bit more elaborate than cropping and editing some gorilla photos and trying to pass them off as your resident Bigfoot clan. Something like that deserves investigation. A very large portion of the people who have more than a casual interest in this subject are people who WANT to believe the crazy stuff. They don’t want to hear about mundane stuff…they want the crazy stuff. They want Khat Hansen and Linda Perry. They will never dive into the science or history of the phenomenon. They will never spend a night outside of a KOA. They want Bigfoot coffee mugs and T-shirts that say ‘World’s Hide and Seek Champion’. What those sorts of people believe has no bearing on the existence of these creatures, nor should it have no bearing on someone’s legitimate efforts to prove that existence. Which is a good thing…because there are more of them than us and they aren’t going anywhere. So, spend all of your time trying to convince people that the guy who claims that Sasquatch came out of a portal in the backyard and delivered a message of world peace…that he might be a fraud? Try to convince someone of something that a reasonable person should already know? Spend a couple of hours a day trying to convince some lonely old widow that the Bigfoot researcher with the crazy claims and no real evidence is a fake? That’s a full time job. The only reason to engage in that sort of behavior is to kind of inflate your own ego. It certainly isn’t advancing the subject.

I think there is also a certain amount of caution involved. You truly cannot state authoritatively about what is not until you have <proven> what is. Until bigfoot is both proven to exist and studied, no matter how small, no matter what our personal beliefs about them, there will always be than fraction of a percent chance that the seemingly ridiculous is actually the truth. One way to keep the egg off your face, to keep from having your nose rubbed in an error, is to not make absolute statements without absolute proof. "I don't know" is the only answer any of us can give with authority. People who sell you any other answer are lying to you. They may believe mighty strongly, they might even be deluded into thinking they know, but they do not know what bigfoot is or isn't nor what they can or can't do. MIB

It's called "mind speak".

Did they come to this understanding telepathically?

Well, I wish you the best of luck in the field. I hope you someday take a type specimen. There are plenty of means that could draw such a species in. There is a company that sells Sasquatch pheromones. I'm not joking. Made from ape and human pheromones. Combine that scent with a recording of an alpha male gorilla and that has as good chance as any of drawing one in. I'll see if I can find a link to the product.

I'm inclined to agree with you. We have a ton of evidence, going back centuries to the earliest Native American legends. But the PGF, IMO, is probably the single biggest and most convincing evidence we have for Bigfoot's existence. If it is proven fake, we would lost our most reliable evidence and our only solidly reliable video/photographic footage. It would be almost inevitable that every professional skeptic would then start asking "if Bigfoot is real, then why is there no video or photographic evidence." With that being said, if I were a gambling man then I'd wager my savings that the PGF is genuine. I'm highly skeptical of Accord's claims. Seems to me he's nothing more than an opportunist. The technology to fake the PGF didn't exist in 1967. That alone blows any and all arguments against the film's authenticity to dust.

I think that there is enough other evidence to still point to the existence of something out there. It will give the hardcore skeptics a lot more ammo. I don’t think that it would make a lick of difference to someone who has had an up close sighting. It being proved a fake would rock a lot of worlds, though. There are people who have spent a good chunk of their lives dissecting that film. There were some meltdowns over that recent claim that Accord had a confession video by Bob Gimlin.

I'm convinced that the Patterson-Gimlin Footage depicts an unknown species of bipedal primate. The evidence for it being genuine, which we have discussed here countless times over, is too strong IMO for it to have been a hoax. But here is a question I've wanted to ask other Bigfoot researchers and enthusiasts for some time... If and this is a BIG IF...the Patterson-Gimlin Footage is someday proven to be a hoax, does that mean that Bigfoot itself is most likely fake and that the creature never existed? Some food for thought I suppose.

So we can add the carnival types with government, the environmental industry, and the skeptic industry as those wanting sasquatches remain myths.

You are absolutely correct, and it frustrates me to no end. Every time I hear the phrase" I'm not interested in PROVING the creatures exist" from any of those Bigfoot celebs I just roll my eyes, it's one thing to be passionate and not being able to do much but they have all the resources to get this subject going and closer to a resolution.

Very valid point, if it happened tomorrow Matt Moneymaker has to get a real job, and the cash cow's milk has dried up.

The problem with the Bigfoot community and why it gets no where? Is where it’s sets the bar for Bigfoot evidence. It’s to low…. Photos, videos, plaster casts? We have had those for 50 plus years. Stick a fork in it. That sort of evidence will not sway science. My advice is to just guard against everything as a hoax, until a piece of the animal is brought in. The problem with that? Is that most of these celebrity Bigfooters will be the first to tell you they don’t care about proving the existence of this creature. I mean you have to use tools to get to the creature. Hunters use trail camera photos, videos and follow tracks to get the big buck right? But NO ONE makes a plaster cast of a big buck and hangs it over the fire place. Why? Because that’s not where the bar is set to be a successful hunter. Either buy a rifle and gear or if that makes you feel squeamish? Watch Todd Disotell on YouTube on how to collect DNA evidence. Or both!

That's the Lawyery answer, also there is a certain unwritten understanding among prominent Bigfooter's that they don't call out another's BS lest their own BS be called out, "Finding BF" being one potential example. By contrast they tend to "overlook" and by proxy prop up the collection BS when if they are so prominent, they should take a stand and call BS on same.

The sick thing is? It may do it again in 2 weeks, no brand is safe because they are all made in China! This is the price we pay for sending our manufacturing base to China. Glad you guys were OK!

Yesterday, I moved one of the trailcams to a new location to a creek that feeds out from a beaver pond and has more open space than the last location. This one was put on a tree that overlooks the creek 10' in front of the trailcam. I'm hoping it will lure something in from wooded area across the creek. We'll see. I put the trailcam up quickly and didn't fiddle with the paracord when I took this picture. Before I left, the two lines of paracord were one. This picture was taken from about 8' away and it is still not very visible. No one will be walking in this area unless some hunter decides to start poking around. It's too early for that and I'd don't know they would even see it.