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This is incredible! I have heard this numerous times, especially that gibbon-like "chirping" before the grumbling. One thing that I notices from what I have heard around the US in person and from audio like this is that there seems to be a common "voice" to all of it. I would call it like a giant angry goblin voice even when they are speaking clearly, if that makes sense. But as far as my answer to the thread goes, I have heard similar talking to the Sierra sounds multiple times, one time it was probably not further than 50 feet from me, there was thick brush separating us but it was still extremely powerful and easy to hear. It was two of them talking back and forth, one a very large male voice and another almost kiddish, clearly much smaller. The voices didn't have as strong of a "oriental twang" to them that I heard though that there was with the ones in the Sierra Sounds. It was very clear non garbled speech and went on for a few minutes. I have heard it in small bursts, including whispers at night, in several places since then but in my experience hearing speech is very rare, I think they only do it when people aren't around that they know of.

LMAO....OK this was a top 3 'weird experiences while hiking' today during my lunch break. I decided to head over to that area for the tree-break pics, and walked up on about 30 zombies!! Yep, hiked up the backside of a movie set and filming, the zombie dudes were either being cool or they thought I was cast and were coming at me all gimpy & creepy. The film guys were not at all happy! They are filming 'Fear the Walking Dead', search it, they are in Lago Vista, ha. I'll go back later in the week, wonder what the hairyman thinks of these guys?

Primarily in the Southwestern tip of Virginia but I spent several years researching in the Croatan National Forest when I was in the Marines. I will be spending this week in the Kiamichi mountains and next week likely will be in northern Virginia. I am going to put those laminated pictures and some other things in the woods and periodically check on them! I travel alot, I had been very private about my research for years but now want to go public and start actively networking with other researchers and exploring new areas, it's more fun that way!

Probably shooting blanks here but environmental forcing could be a factor over time such as climatic or other upheavals that change landscapes from verdant to arid. Or volcanic activity that affects food supply causing malnutrition and reproductive bottlenecks. Obviously this would suggest that environments were not constant which complicates evolutionary genetic mutations so more than likely needs a more multidisciplinary approach and study. In a perfect world where nothing changes it would be easier to look at DNA mutations involving additions or deletions as a smoother more linear dynamic. Factor in interbreeding on top of all the other variables and the picture becomes even more complex. Be that as it may, when it comes to the subject of the Sasquatch, there isn't a whole lot to go on outside of reasonable evolutionary speculation for launching an attempt to place it somewhere in the primate line. It's a perfectly normal exercise but relies most heavily on peripheral knowledge being brought to bear on a central fairly unknown creature, zoologically and genetically. And yet there still is, IMO, good possibilities for estimating its genetic distance between Chimps and us. For instance, we know the mutational base pair differences between us and chimps as well as the base pair differences between us and Denisovan as well as Neanderthal. Having its advanced primate body does give us some advantages for where to, more or less, plug the Sasquatch into the evolutionary line. For me it helps to do that, as a trial run anyway, when setting up a hypothetical ballpark base-pair differential that could be investigated should any trace evidence yield good quality DNA. That may be the only way forward since the GenBank lacks Sasquatch genetic sequences. It has taken time and effort to develop this opinion but I think it is about as sound in its reasoning as it gets....uh....IMHO

Or situations where no mutations occur for 'X' number of years.

One of the best Bigfoot documentaries I've watched was located in the Kiamichi mountains. It's a tad old. Oldies but goodies!

Right. Then the second question should be "what can cause discontinuities in the normal mutation rates." In other words, say mutations happen pretty steadily at 1 per "X" years. Are there situations / events that can drive the rate temporarily to even 25-50 in "X" years before they return to the background / normal rate of 1 per "X"? How would we know with any certainty?

Hey JKH, hope you are doing well:) The particular trial in question is a high ridge trail above a major creek from the hills feeding into the Colorado River. No telling how old this trail is, and wouldn't be surprised to know Native Americans have used it for 1,000's of years, Spanish & early settlers , always a game trail, now the developers and surveyors of late. What I need to do is go along this one section they are using, take pics of each trail block as they come up, and get a rough distance between them, as it appears to be very consistent between each one, and is what really got my attention......give me a day or 3 to get it done, and I'll give them a closer visual for hair or anything else.

Yes, 'tis the season. Today I got out to the valley where I had my experiences over 40 years ago, and found cold rain at the low end and heavy, wet snow at the higher elevations. Several other 4x4s were in the valley, and all I saw was dog and human tracks. I did find a pretty sturdy lean to shelter at the end of a branch road, next to a roaring creek.

This report is from the database of NOBRO, Native Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization. Comanche County is in western OK, SSW of OKC 70-80 miles. It's known for being the location of Geronimo's burial place. Sorry about the report being one long paragraph; that's how it is in their database. I posted this due to it being a little different than the normal eyeshine report. The witness says he saw eyeshine and watched it for a bit, then saw another set of eyeshine very near the first set. I'll go ahead and give away the other interesting part; he said the two eyeshines were somewhat different in color. COUNTY/STATE Comanche County, Oklahoma EYEWITNESS REPORT My ongoing encounters started in 2016 at my place of employment. I work midnights, and when I don’t have anything going on I will go outside for a smoke and to enjoy the night. Across from my place of employment is an open field that goes to a creek and woods. The creek goes all the way to Texas (according to Google maps) and is almost exclusively in the middle of nowhere for most of it. There are lights on the road and my parking lot but nothing in the field and from where I work the field runs to the end of town then off to the country. It is really the last bastion of country before it turns into city. My first-time hearing anything was when one night I was walking in from a smoke break and I heard a deep guttural voice say something, now understand that time The field was about 200 feet from where I was and this voice was so deep that I could feel it in my bones. It wasn’t a yell, but it was as if something massive said something, but it wasn’t human, it wasn’t ape chatter but more akin to a growl/voice but deep. I didn’t see or hear anything after that for the rest of the night but a few weeks later I heard a howl come from there one long low deep howl (kind of like the Ohio howl) and it stopped me dead in my tracks. I looked up and I saw eye shine looking dead at me. It was way up in the air and spaced far apart and it was no deer, I have seen deer in the field and it was really nowhere near the height. I just stood there looking at it, and it looked at me, no movement, we looked at each other for about 10 mins and then to the bottom right another pair of eyes popped open and stood there but was about a few feet shorter and a different color. The first set of eyes was a yellow green and this set was yellow. They both didn’t move. I have seen people in the field in the morning walking through and by the looks of it the first set of eyes were about 8 feet off the ground and the smaller was about 6 feet. I went back inside with the feeling that I was not wanted there. A few weeks after that I kept getting the feeling of being watched, and it was as if it was aggressive, I would hear movement and growls/guttural sounds. As I said before there were street lights and they didn’t do much to penetrate the darkness of the field, but one night as I was out side, just past the halo of the light I saw something hunched over walking, just outside the light, it was massive, and huge, it was no human, and it was the only time I have seen anything at night over there, it walked for about 5-10 sec and walked back into the darkness. There is still to this day sounds from the woods and the eye shine. But I have got used to the sounds, and I think they are used to me as well, I am the only person out there at night. I still have the feeling that they don’t want me there, but I also think they know I am not going over there so we have a mutual understanding.

History is that the file was captured from an overlook/parking area above Cohutta Wilderness Area, North Georgia one night. Not sure if it was a planned audio recording effort that evening or whether it was a serendipitous sound capture instant on kind of event. Also not sure if the file was edited or clipped by River. This is not the original file as my Audacity amplification effort boost was integral to picking up nuances of embedded sounds and vocals. Thanks again to River for the share on BFF 1.0 which was lost. And then the repost again here with consent of the Chief Admin @gigantor

Therr are a lot of forest service roads, so its not that bad unless it rains or snows. The elevation changes create "micro-climates" in the mountains here. It could be snowing in the top of the mountain and nice and relatively warm down at the base. Top Base

Our seemingly endless rainstorms broke yesterday, and we now get at least 3 days of sunny weather, so of course I couldn't resist the urge to get out today. None of the usual group were available, so it was a solo trip, but I filed my route plan with them for safety. I chose to go a bit further afield today, to an area I last visited with my daughter and a 4x4 buddy a year ago. On that trip, we ended 30 km off pavement at a locked gate, but I had studied Gaia, and located a possible alternate route that appeared to go much further, that looked like it might cross a pass in the N/S mountain range and drop into another valley to the east, and a different route home, without back tracking. Those kinds of routes are rare around here, as most logging roads go to the headwaters of a watershed, and end there. I got a late start, leaving home at noon, and headed east up the Fraser Valley, then north up the Fraser Canyon. The sky was bright and clear, but there was a brisk wind blowing fall leaves and dust devils through the valley, but once in the canyon, it dropped to a mild breeze. I found my turn off about 2 hours from home, and climbed steeply eastward up the Uztlius Creek valley, going from a few hundred feet ASL at the highway, to about 5000 ft at the pass, 30 km in. Along the way, I encountered just one ATV and 2 4x4s, so I had the road pretty much to myself. At the 4000 ft level, 30 km in, I hit the snow line, and for the next 30 km over the pass and down the east slope to the Coquihalla Hwy I was in snow that got as deep as 6" in places. There were a few deer and coyote tracks, but not nearly as many as I had expected to see. No big game was seen, but I did bag the only grouse I saw. The route I found on Gaia proved out, but did give me pause when I was in sight of the Coquihalla, when I came to a washed out bridge on the narrow trail. It was now late dusk, and I certainly didn't want to go back 60km in the dark. I stopped on the slope down to the creek, with my headlights shining into the water, and determined that the slopes of the banks were not too steep, and the water was only about 18" deep, so I made the crossing, and was at the highway in 10 minutes, and headed home on the fast 4 lane route. The day out was great, even though no big game or squatches were seen.