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Yeah. Initially it was wading. The current where we first saw it is pretty fast, maybe 12 mph and 3-1/2 feet deep. Where it passed in front of us, the current slows slightly but gets deeper, then slows and goes over a shallow gravel bar, through / along some ledgy riffle, then drops into deeper water, probably 15 feet or more. I'm very familiar with that spot since it was more or less in front of our house. We'd wade / swim our horses there in summer and I fished it from bank and boat including guiding. The water at the nearest point where it passed by us runs 4-1/2 to a little over 5 feet deep .. river bottoms shift each year. Typically if I got out that far, it'd knock me over but usually I could bounce along with my feet bumping over rocks and the water hitting just under my chin. It appeared to be crotch deep at that spot. Given that they seem to have shorter legs than we do relative to their torso length I think I must have been looking at something exceeding 10 feet by at least a little bit. The last we saw of it after it'd dropped into deep water, it was going around a bend in the river, heading almost due west into the fading post-sunset reflection. Water was flat enough to get a pretty clear look. It was armpit deep swimming, not head down at surface level like a bear or dog, and swam with it's arms under water, not overhead ... so dog paddle or breast stroke but with it's head high. I'm convinced that if it were a suit, it would have been so heavy, so waterlogged there'd have been a drowning.

I would say the risk of drowning is worse…. Yes. That and you don’t look like Bigfoot anymore.

I’m sure there are situations where the government has handled a BF situation but I do not believe it’s part of a BF task force so to say. It’s probably such a rare event that it’s handled on a case by case situation as needed. Their best course of action is probably discredit most things BF and steer it in the direction of folklore and myth. Let the public enjoy it as entertainment and think the hardcore folks as kooks.

Small update on the family: https://www.foxnews.com/us/couple-found-dead-on-california-hiking-trail-likely-tried-to-save-baby-report-says If it were just the family, I could sort of accept the explanation. However, it is the dog that throws me for a loop. I just cannot see how it did not go off looking for water on its own. Still smells fishy to me. Sadly, one of those mysteries where we will never know what actually happened, just educated guesses.

Talents!?? Albert Ostman put a round over the head of the “old lady” as he made his escape. At Ape Canyon they shot one but couldn’t retrieve the body and were later attacked at their cabin where more lead flew. Bauman shot at one that invaded their camp at night. Bob Gimlin covered Patty with his 06 as she was spooked outta the crick bottom. The Canadian moose hunter who killed one and left it. NAWAC have shot at two. In one of the cases with FLIR. Justin Smeja supposedly killed two. Yuchi supposedly shot one while involved with the Gulf Coast guys. There are numerous old old accounts (pre 1900) of shootings and battle with these creatures. (I’m definitely missing other stories) And I will add that anyone who pointed a camera at one of these things could have just as easily pointed a rifle at it instead. Paul Freeman, etc…. How many sightings reports are there? More missed opportunities! Thousands? In the aggregate? The problem isn’t the creature’s supposed innate talents. Albeit it isn’t as simple as walking out in the woods to look for a deer. The problem in these stories is they are in no way of the mindset to COLLECT the specimen. With maybe a few exceptions that were probably have hearted at best. And most of these people did not go out looking for Sasquatch. They were trappers, miners, hunters, etc. This is assuming any of these stories are true. The creatures talents are simply it’s exceedingly rare, lives in some of the roughest, most dense topography, seems mostly nocturnal and is smarter than a bear. But DUMB enough to visit a trappers camp day after day and play with the embers in a smoldering fire while the trapper hid and observed it after getting curious as to what was visiting camp over and over again. Or dumb enough to step on a nail board at snelgrove lake. Or run out in front of a logging truck and narrowly avoiding being hit. Or running around in the median of I82 by Yakima, Wa. like it’s hair is on fire with hundreds of cars whizzing by and honking their horns…. No. The opportunities have presented themselves on numerous occasions. We humans have simply failed to close the deal. One tiny bone in the pinkie finger of a Denisovan proved the species real. Just one. As for black helicopters and conspiracy, well…. We have to keep trying.

You bet. For Oregon people interested in doing this, I highly recommend Henry Franzoni's book In the Spirit of Seatco. It is very hard to find. I borrowed a copy. The maps with the name translations are probably online. The explanations require reading the book. In my area we have Skookum Pond, Skookum Lake, Skookum Prairie, and Skookum Creek. There are a bunch of other names as well. Skookum can also mean strong, powerful, imply something hidden, "dark", or ominous / imposing. There's a place where I grew up called Skookumhouse .. translation was stronghouse or jail. ^^^^ Jarbidge itself is a mis-translation / mis-writing of a native american word that implied bigfoot or devil. Something about "monster that lives in the canyon". I would dearly love to have time to explore the Jarbidge wilderness and the Jarbidge and Bruno rivers with a fly rod. MIB

Absolutely. Sometimes there are reasons why places are named like that, and maybe the squatches are still around, or their descendants anyway.

Jarbidge NV has "The Canyon of the Evil Giant", which I'd love to check out one day.

People should check out this story if they think Fish and Game will not stop at anything to protect a species that is not suppose to exist in an area (not BF). https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=694361530922438

In the beginning from what I see not much of the creature is showing above waterline. It’s face down in the water. It doesn’t necessarily take a lot of water to accomplish this. Once it’s out of the water? yes is knee high at best. Depending on its size probably 2-3 feet of water? The video is of poor quality. So it’s hard to be 100 percent on anything. But per Bill’s statement, frolicking around in a river with a Bigfoot suit on is a really bad idea.

Great post, Norseman. Thanks for setting me straight. You're right, it has apparently been done. I've known those stories so don't know why they didn't enter my thoughts when I composed my post. Just wasn't thinking I guess. If it should really happen and one gets intentionally taken down a a voucher specimen the "then what" kicks in. Hopefully everything has been lined up ahead of time for the follow through.

Yes, absolutely we check out places with interesting or spooky names. We were on Windigo Trail not long ago, as well as Skookum Lake.

Ok here they are. I hope this better helps with the context of how i explained the situation in the quoted post.

Fresh snow on the ground as of last night so I'm heading out today for my first winter over night. And rifle season ends today in Maine with muzzleloaders starting in on Monday so hunter orange will be my fashion statement.

It was an excellent documentary. Monster Quest was always of good quality. Not sure why the History Channel ever stopped filming the series. What that film demonstrates is that there is more hard scientific evidence for the existence of Bigfoot than most people think. Before I watched that documentary I never gave the subject much thought. After watching it I became open minded and my personal research led me to believe that these creatures most likely exist. I'm sure many researchers have similar testimonies.