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^^^^ I've changed my mind on Zana. At one time I assumed almasty as that's the way the story seemed to go in the bigfoot publications. I don't think so anymore. I'm inclined to go with the science. I suspect .. coming from the trailing end of a folklore society .. that the stories of Zana were embellished through retelling. I think it most likely than she was a modern human of sub saharan african descent, probably a child of escaped slave parents. I doubt she was quite as fast, as durable, or as big as legend says. For about 15 months I dated a woman who was 6'3" .. bleach blonde, no almasty in her either. I think Zana is a dead end and useless distraction so far as bigfoot goes. Wishful thinking but nope. Interesting in her own right, interesting so far as our own modern human history, but of no purpose so far as proving anything about relict hominids. I wish it were otherwise but wishing it doesn't make it so. MIB

When we get into genus Homo, it seems like the normal rules for what "species" means morphs. If our ancestors and neanderthals and denisovans could produce viable offspring, we're not separate species, we're separate subspecies. We're genetically as different as different kinds of corn or different kinds of tulips or different breeds of dogs, it's not corn vs tulips or dogs vs cats. That said, I'm inclined to agree with you. Those old DNA samples presumed to be contaminated human or degraded human .. my guess is a lot weren't. I think those samples were good enough to have separated human from chimp for example. People doing the testing / paying for the testing were looking for something akin to an African ape .. orang, gorilla, or chimp .. and weren't ready to accept that DNA 98% towards human on the piece of the scale separating human from chimp, which already were 98% similar .. at least in the sections that are tested to identify species .. could be correct.

^^^^ In 2011 the 2nd night we had camp visitors, I went down a long list of options trying to find something other than bigfoot that fit what I was hearing. Ishi crossed my mind. The holes in that idea were it was so dark that I could not see the trees in camp but whatever was coming in .. fast .. could be heard to shift it's course to the right and to the left to avoid them. It had soft bottomed feet, not hard soled shoes or hooves, because the feet thumped on the ground, they didn't crunch and grind the "gravel" as our shoes had done and as the deer in camp had done during daylight. The steps were "slow" but the distance was being covered quickly with no indications of running. So we've got an "Ishi" wearing moccasins, with night vision goggles, apparently with a 60 inch or longer step length. "Hmmmm." While it wasn't as imagined at the time, I'm not sure the crazy guess of "feral people" was wrong if you make the distinction between feral PEOPLE (behavior) and feral HUMAN (species). That was a thinking thing out there. That thing was experimenting deliberately trying various things to test my responses. I was the rat in the maze that night. MIB

Big Blaze cut trail for 2 of my buddies Jeeps today. The one Jeep is on 33’s and could follow me OK. The four door Jeep got stuck repeatedly and we finally chained up the front end. I never got stuck but my forward progress got stopped several times. At one point I jumped out of the K5 and was in knee deep snow.

OK, not really a trilogy in fact, but three books by Bart that all relate to the same subject matter.... 1. Mysterious Kentucky, Vol 1: The History, Mystery and Unexplained of the Bluegrass State Published in 2007, with two updates, this short book (less than 250 pages) provides a very interesting overview of weird creatures in Kentucky. Starting out with gigantic skeletons found, moving across the spectrum of water, sky, and land creatures, and finishing with Edgar Cayce, the book jumps into the mysteries of Kentucky with both feet. The biggest section of the book is reserved for Bigfoot and like creatures. There is a lot of information on the author's experiences during his childhood and as an adult. There are several cases provided that comes from the Kentucky Bigfoot site that Bart runs. While there a number of cases presented that I am familiar with, there were a large number that I had not heard before. He did include Jan Thompson's accounts of Dogman and the LBL incident. From UFOs to water monsters to little people to MIB to Bigfoot/Dogmen, this book has it all. Interesting stuff and well worth your time if you like this type of material. 2. Mysterious Kentucky, Vol 2: The Dark and Bloody Ground Published in 2007, with one update, this short book (less than 350 pages) provides more companion material to Volume 1. This is in essence, an expanded version of the first volume. There is some overlap between the two, but this one has more and new accounts of weird stuff in Kentucky. Organized much like Volume 1, this book also delves into some hauntings and paranormal activities as well. Much of what I said for Volume 1 applies to this book as well. Mr. Nunnelly has lived a far more exciting life than I, for which I am very grateful! Another great book if this sort of stuff is your cup of tea. 3.The Inhumanoids: Real Encounters with Beings that can't Exist! Published in 2011, with one update, this book runs almost 450 pages. Bart covers the spectrum and history of upright, bipedal (mostly) beings from Fairies to Giants to the Demonic, from the beginning of time to the present, and from around the world. Much of the material covered is hard to believe being that it is so incredible. Even if you do not find it believable, you will find it captivating reading. Again, there is some overlap with the first two books, but not overly so. The author definitely provides more of his own personal thoughts on the nature of these beings than in Volumes 1 and 2. Of special note, there is a good chapter on MIB and their ilk. All in all, a handy reference guide to weird, upright creatures from around the world. At the end, he pulls it all together and provides an encompassing explanation that you may or may not agree with. Nick Redfern and Linda Godfrey provide the Introductions. There is a moderate amount of "woo" in these books, especially in The Inhumanoids, which is to be expected when dealing with this subject matter. One interesting case in Volume 1, which seems to have some similarity with the Maine incident located elsewhere on this site, indicates a car accident involving BF. The single occupant of the car was fatally injured and nearby residents saw that officials were preventing public access to the site, officials burying something beside the road, and washing down the road to clean off the blood. This occurred in Hart County and was described in The Locals by Thom Powell. In Volume 2, Bart relates a story from a witness that pushes the credibility line, at least for me. However, if it were true, it would explain much about BF which is currently a mystery. It deals with a young boy who was sort of "adopted", for lack of a better word, by a clan of BF and over time came to know their ways. Not sure I buy into it, but it clears up some of the fog surrounding the topic if you do. Pros: Very interesting accounts of Kentucky weirdness Written in a manner that will keep you turning pages. Locations are provided for most of the accounts Lots of reports never told before as far as I know Cons (mostly minor nits): Fair amount of duplicate information across all three books Some editing errors, but nothing too serious No references and source material for the most part No TOC for The Inhumanoids Pictures and images not in color Bottom line: Vols 1 and 2 are a must have if you have any interest at all in crypto creatures of KY. Inhumanoids is a great handbook and reference for a quick history and summary of upright creatures through out the ages. Bart has me convinced that if you go to Henderson County, KY, to look for cyptids, you will most likely find them. All three books are Highly Recommended! https://www.amazon.com/Mysterious-Kentucky-Vol-Unexplained-Bluegrass/dp/154308754X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=21VI0PCJK0B6N&keywords=nunnelly&qid=1640023788&sprefix=nunnelly%2Caps%2C54&sr=8-3 https://www.amazon.com/Mysterious-Kentucky-Vol-Bloody-Ground/dp/1544115180/ref=sr_1_1?crid=21VI0PCJK0B6N&keywords=nunnelly&qid=1640023788&sprefix=nunnelly%2Caps%2C54&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/Inhumanoids-Real-Encounters-Beings-Exist/dp/1545451745/ref=sr_1_2?crid=21VI0PCJK0B6N&keywords=nunnelly&qid=1640023788&sprefix=nunnelly%2Caps%2C54&sr=8-2

Yes he is. He is probably the biggest expert (if there is such a thing) on the Beast of LBL. And from what I can gather, he believes Roger's account totally, which to me, says a lot. The Inhumanoids is excellent, but also some very creepy stuff. It could possibly change one's view of the world and what is "real" and what is not. Like I said, he has lived a life that is much more exciting than mine. And I do not mind a bit. No way I would have wanted to share some of his experiences. I should have mentioned that I read the paper book versions and not the Kindle e-books.

I do. Why? Because the world isn't allowed to have extant Sasquatches.

WSA - There are 2 considerations (IMHO) .. 1) The DNA that isn't quite human is a very common thread. The explanations of environmental degradation, something else but strongly human contaminated, etc all try to pigeonhole the results, but the common thread is it is NOT just simple, identifiable human DNA, it requires an excuse of some sort for not quite matching. 2) I look at the reports of abducted native women returning pregnant with either a baby that won't quite carry to term or a baby that is born deformed and dies. I think that points to a barely-hybridization situation, something that is only very slightly still viable for life and not viable to reproduce. These are things in the report data that I can't entirely let go of. Inconvenient truths, or if that seems too strong, at least inconveniently recurring data points I can't set aside without stronger reason than I have to work from right now. MIB

Man, I'd love to come down to Wa. and see if my H3 with rear locker could keep up with your K5 in the snow, but it aint happening anytime soon, with border restrictions tightening up again, and my wife now totally wheelchair bound. Someday, norse, someday!

A winter wonderland. That amount of snow will test any vehicle's snow prowess. You can tell from your pictures that the white, 4-door Jeep was less clearance than the red one. Looks like fun!

I haven't bothered so don't really know, but does all programming there end with the obligatory climate propaganda?

Doodlier Yes we do. But @hiflieris not going to toot his own horn so I will do it for him. He has his books as well. You should ask or pm him. This show has some surprises coming on it that should not be missed. If you have Discovery Plus please watch the show. If you do not find someone who does and watch it there. But do it within a safe manner due to covid restrictions.

Many years ago in 1980, I rode a bicycle from Los Angeles to Washington DC. A friend and I crossed the Mojave desert in late July, early August. I have photos of thermometers at gas stations reading about 107 degrees. There were two of us, and we each carried three gallons of water with us each day. Had to blow on it to cool it off to make it drinkable. But I remember being about 60 miles from anywhere, and starting to get that dizzy feeling. I started seeing things, and my peripheral vision narrowed to a tunnel. I saw a tower in the desert, and thought it was a tower from an amusement part I had worked at. Saw it clear as day. I saw buzzards circling in the sky. When I focused on them, they disappeared. Hallucination. We stopped in what little bit of shade of a joshua tree made and I drank a lot of water, and drank some honey (a trick I used to use from my rock-climbing days), even wet my clothes down before hopping back on my bike to get some airflow to cool off a bit. It was really no huge deal at the time, but looking back on it, I now realize how close I came. The thing is that I didn't even care. I would have been content to just lie down and sleep. And I was young and fit. I was glad to have had a friend with me to urge me on. Heat exhaustion and heat stroke are no joke.

Occam strikes again. 109 degrees and you do a 7 mile hike in the mountains and you are out of water? Yeah, you die. You all sit down “for just a minute” and you never get back up. Maybe your dog is the first to flag, and you don’t want to leave it. So you pause... maybe the child lives longer than any of them? Nobody who has ever been on an unshaded and dry trail on a hot day in the West can appreciate how lethargic and stupid you can become and how quickly the body fails. I have come close, and it is no **** joke. Nobody thinks “I need to slam this baby formula (assuming it was mixed) and go get help for the others”, or a similar logical plan. You might even sit down and die just because you for some reason can’t remember what fork in the trail to take. So tragic and senseless.