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Absolutely would shoot to kill.I would hack parts and certainly leave a good trail back to the location. If the creatures exist, then more importantly for conservation than just simply for proof. As far as legal issues,my niece attorney will handle that .She is invested being a much more open to the creatures being real than yours truly.

I'm unabashedly in the no-kill camp. I could be completely wrong but am of the opinion it will spell the beginning of the end. Their hopes of survival would hang in the balance and be entrusted to the government which never does anything well. Left alone, I implicitly trust sasquatches for the survival of their own species.

A client asked me the other day if I would shoot a Bigfoot if I had the chance. Honestly, I don't think I would...or even could. "Why not?", he asked me. Well... 1. I think I would feel tremendously guilty at killing something so unique (even if there were hundreds more). I'd probably feel as if I just committed murder. And yes, a body would be proof. But I would have my eyes and experience as all the proof I needed for me. And probably I wasn't killing it for self defense and certainly not for food. And I don't think it would make a satisfying trophy in the den. 2. I can't imagine the backlash you would get from everyone from animal rights groups to law enforcement. You'd have to go into hiding to avoid the protestors and revenge seekers. 3. What if it wasn't the only one around? Can you imagine killing one only to discover its a female and its very pissed off mate is 20 feet behind you or you're deep in their territory and you need to make it out alive? 4. Imagine trying to haul it out of the kill area anyway. Most aren't prepared to bring out a kill. By the time you got back with help, it'd be cougar kibble or it's "tribe" would have hauled it off I would think. 5. No amount of fame (or infamy) or money would be worth the stigma and hassle I would think. So...no for me.

Does this mean we are NOT going to go strolling through the forest together arm in arm?

Taking the lead from BRB, Norse, NW, and Madison I pulled th trigger on a knife. I have a question about how to affix it to the front of my chest pack. In the past, I've attached my ESEE to the bottom of the chest pack by weaving the molle straps on the ESEE sheath to the webbing on the bottom. The new knife is a Mora and I ordered I kydex sheath for it as the one that came with it won't work. This is what the knife and sheath will look like: https://armorsheaths.com/products/mora-bushcraft-custom-kydex-sheath?variant=27214911873 I could use molle loks, chicago posts, or get back to basics and secure it using paracord. I'm leaning toward paracord as the sheath has a lot of connection points and I will be able to lock it down so it won't move. Is there another system/method of securing the sheath to a molle system I should consider? Here is the chest pack...it's the one on the left:

I know a handful of people who have worked for the lab over the years. Student interns, etc. If there is anything known, it is personal knowledge, not institutional knowledge. Not correct. 1) Ashland is in Oregon, not Washington. That lab is about 1/2 mile from where I'm sitting. Used to drive by it almost daily. 2) A past moderator here, who went by Ace!, visited the lab. He was told they only do criminal cases .. mostly CITES violations though some more local cases as well. 3) Sykes testing was done as a personal favor, not as part of the lab's official operation. MIB

I wanted to post this for you guys to discuss and to view if you have not already. These guys have a really neat approach to bigfoot sightings and how to ensure they have activity. Two of them are expert trackers and they all bushcraft way out off trail in the woods. Once they find some kind of sign of bigfoot activity they TRACK these things for miles and miles and they do it again and again in an area over the course of weeks or months until they have map of the activity in that area and they keep records and data points on all of this for later analyzation. The whole approach is very interesting and it seems like a nice addition to the body of wisdom and knowledge that so many are putting together. The only criticism i would give is that while employing a sort of new and highly specific skillet in expert tracking they see this approach as better than other approaches and personally i dont buy that even if there is great value in what they do. But even so they are very respectful of other approaches. i could not embed this link but it should work it you go do youtube. https://youtu.be/CPTwPgdJqb8

I'll buy that. And in the spirit of discussion, there is a very logical argument for pursuing any and all other means available to us. And there ARE means available to us. Shall I lay out a valid point in that regard? The USFS's Forestry Science Laboratory in Corvalis Oregon: https://www.fs.usda.gov/pnw/research-labs/forestry-sciences-laboratory-corvallis If any people or facility, short of the USF&W facility in Ashland, WA, would know it would be them. The USFS FSL in Corvalis has been in existence since 1962 and has nearly 70 scientists there in all disciplines, including vertebrate animal studies and with a full genetics lab. People About 69 scientists and support staff are located at the Corvallis Lab. Job titles include biologists, botanists, data services specialists, ecologists, foresters, hydrologists, geneticists, mathematical statisticians, plant physiologists, and wildlife biologists. The building is home to employees of neighboring Suislaw National Forest Supervisor's Office, plus employees from the U.S. Geological Survey's Forest and Rangeland Ecosystem Science Center (link is external). Just a short walk to numerous Oregon State University (link is external) facilities, especially in the University’s College of Agricultural Sciences (link is external), the lab is literally embedded in Oregon’s forestry and agricultural research environment. Teams Corvallis lab scientists belong to research teams including Andres Gray’s Vegetation Monitoring Science & Application team, Wildlife Ecology team, Landscape Productivity team, Aquatic Ecology and Management team, Vegetation Monitoring & Remote Sensing team, Climate Landscape Interactions team, Landscape and Ecosystem Management team, Forest Landscape and Ecosystem Processes team, Disturbance and Restoration Ecology team, Insects, Pathogens, and Stressors team, and Fire and Environment Research Applications team. So, one pursuit that would be short of shooting one would be to pop this question to someone in authority there: Does the Sasquatch exist or not? But I also need to mention that there has been one HUGE and burning question in my mind: Why hasn't our esteemed Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum done so in all of these years? And if he has, what was the answer he got? And if he got one, (and why wouldn't he) what hasn't he seen fir to tell us? Or is this just another game in which the community gets jerked around and remains stagnant in their own pursuit? It would be nice if anyone who responds to this does so in a realistic way that addresses this issue. And not just pull excuses out of a hat for why we are dealing with a chronic, and in my logical mind, bogus status quo. For the wildernesses that are left, and the flora and fauna that live there, not just the Sasquatch. But fighting for knowledge of the existence the Sasquatch, done the right way, will lead to the truth.

Let’s not discuss aliens here. We have a sub forum for that. Repost there and while gladly have a conversation https://bigfootforums.com/forum/177-unidentified-aerial-phenomena/ I only included them in my post because it’s often used as a parallel why the government would seek to hide this species (Bigfoot) from the public. And why we have no disclosure some 60 year onward.

I am not anti-kill when it comes to BF. And I could pull the trigger if I wanted to - I just don't want to. I know for certain I could pull it if I or Kerry (or almost anyone) were threatened. But I wouldn't do it just to bag a body. It's just not for me.

I own and have read four or five of the ten, recommend those highly. Never heard of the Historical Bigfoot, at a thousand pages that booger should be released on CD. RE: @MIB s list I have read and own two of the four and highly recommend those. One that is missing from everybodies list to date that worked for me and @joebeelartis Robert Morgan's down to Earth, Bigfoot Field Observers Manual , timeless, cogent and produces research results quickly when recommendations are applied with patience and resolve. @joebeelarts Oregon Bigfoot Highway sets another standard as well. I would be remiss not to endorse anything by Thom Powell. I enjoyed his Shady Neighbors and lived the plot before publication, though described as fiction it is based on a conflation of many bits of true incidents. Also The Locals kept me going in times of stress, duress, disbelief and questioning.

Your questions are answered in Chapter 16 of my book, which I attach here for use of Forum Members ONLY. Please do not forward to anybody else. In summary, no genome of 20,000 human mtDNA sequences had two or three of these mutations. Very few had even one. Percentages of each primate group which have these mutations are found in Figure 27 of Chapter 16. These range from less than 1% for humans to 100% in some groups. Chapter 16 FINAL.docx

I managed to get out again this afternoon, with more success than last week's attempt. This time I was able to actually reach my target locations, a small high mountain lake that I had never seen before, and a bay on Harrison Lake that was unreachable 2 weeks ago due to deep wet snow on the trail in to it. I didn't get away till noon, but the targets were within an hour's drive, and the weather was perfect. The trail to the small lake was a steep climb from the main Logging road, but not really challenging, with only a few shallow cross ditches and some small patches of snow in shaded areas. I found the right turns to make on Gaia, and reached the lake at 2 pm. I walked around some, looking for tracks, but found only some boot prints and dog tracks. The lake was still iced over, with a layer of snow on top of that, so I didn't venture out onto it, just took some photos and ate a snack, before taking a different route down the mountain towards Harrison Lake. This route was a ;little more challenging, with more snow patches, some washouts that made it very narrow in places, and a couple of dozen blowdowns, that someone had just recently cut through, leaving barely enough room to squeeze the H3 through. Once back on the main FSR, I continued N to the turnoff for the bay I was seeking. As I reached it, 3 trucks approached from the opposite direction, and turned down the trail, so I tagged on the end as no. 4 in the little convoy. In 15 minutes we were down on the lakeshore at a lovely little bay that was the site of a logging camp and booming spot to tow the logs out 40 or 50 years ago. No buildings are left, just an earthen pier and some rusty boiler parts. I chatted with the 4x4 group for a while, and then followed them back up to the main road, and then headed home. No evidence of Sasquatch was seen, but it was a beautiful day to be in the woods.

Thank you for this. I had not seen that article, nor the mention of any name, just UCLA as an institution. I will definitely reach out to her asap. Mireya Mayor does public science/citizen science at FIU, so that's likely how they got connected. So much will depend upon the quality and size of found sequences, which is impossible to judge from the scant comments in media outlets, although they clearly at least feel comfortable concluding genus, so I'd be cautiously optimistic that something more could be established. I hope they are willing to share the full data, at least at some point. My colleagues and I will very soon be examining supposedly morphologically anomalous physical samples collected by individuals. At least for the foreseeable future, we will NOT being doing eDNA studies. If you or others in the Forums have potentially interesting physical samples in hand, You know how to reach me.

Doesn't even have to be crazy, simply being from a human culture different than your own. In a very real sense, the greater the similarity, the greater the chance for misunderstanding because it appears more reasonable to plug in your own assumptions / values where you have gaps in your understanding of their assumptions / values. Think of the troubles of the past when "modern, sophisticated" European humans encountered "primitive, unsophisticated" tribal people in remote places .. might wind up being worshiped as a god or might wind up in the stew pot .. or maybe both. Be wary of an invitation to dinner 'til you're sure whether you're a participant or the main course. Same thing for "people" out there who might be even more "primitive" yet. In a way, if they're "less than people" (animals), the results of a meeting might be less unpredictable than if they're truly "people". Dunno, just .. kicking around ideas. I think if we're out there looking for sasquatch, it pays to consider all of the potential angles and not get too caught up on any 'til we know more thus assume less. Everything from ape camp to Scott Carpenter's ideas .. even consider ThePhaige's posts. Final truth will probably not be any of those but may combine bits and pieces from all .. and others .. mixed in a totally unexpected way. MIB

I get the general way of thinking and don't overly disagree, but i just don't think you can be bringing in religion to this subject as it obviously brings up geographical issues and a whole world of questioning that simply can't be answered objectively.

Northwind, I used to work in HR, and I think that moon phase has a lot to do with all kinds of activities . Those experiences make me wonder what you are observing that tells you that moon phase impacts BF activity, and if you are finding your observations to be predictive in any way. Thank you!

If you're up in that area with time to kill, maybe try smoking some salmon or meat like bacon (Costco sells pork bellies). Perhaps the scent will act as a lure. Heck, if it's bacon, it would attract me! I'll steer clear of the salmon though - I hate fish. But BF might like it. I have heard reports of them raiding salmon from camps. Even if you don't attract a hairy guy, you'd end up with a bunch of great food for sometime later. Take notes doing what you do, they may come in handy later. Record things like activities you do, date, time, temperature, moon phase, GPS coordinates, etc. Record feelings you have. I think moon phase can have a lot to do with BF activity. Pay attention to the sounds of the woods. And the ravens. And good success to you.

I would kill the first one with extreme prejudice. Nothing sporting either. I would shoot to kill, but if I only had a wounding shot to get a blood trail I would do that also. And I would stay on that trail until I either recovered it or it killed me. Or I would luck out and run it over repeatedly with my Peterbilt… If I had to cut it up to get it out? I would have no qualms doing that either. Basically whatever it takes. Why? Well. How many kids are gonna be riding their bikes and playing in National Parks and Forests this summer? People have a right to know. How many Dennis Martin cases have long gone cold? How many parents have waited and waited only to grow old with no answers? And not just kids, dads, mothers, uncles, etc. If there is something out there? People need to know the dangers. Instead of their elected officials laughing at or discounting their fears, concerns or worse, the loss of a loved one. Its not a vendetta against the species. Once proven to science? They should be protected and people should be warned. Like UFO’s this won’t be the end of the world. People will move on with their lives. They may just not look at that dark forest the same way as they once did. But at least they can weigh the risks with as much knowledge as possible. And I don’t care about my own recognition. I don’t care if anyone ever learns my name or not. And I don’t care about the hate mail either. As a hunter I get plenty of that anyhow. None of that matters. It’s just humans being humans. It’s not about knee jerk reactions or the love of something people barely understand. If DNA or a bone is found that confirms the species first? Hurray! Confirmation for me is priority #1. I really do not care how we get there. We all play to our strengths, but it’s about expediency…. Full stop. So anyone out there looking for proof? Kudos to you!

Nice attempted diversion but it won't fly, Norseman. You know exactly what I mean. Yes, Norseman, it's the same as yours. And students and interns are pertinent to such an important piece of information how? Why are you nit picking this? Ashland only takes cases that come in through LEO channels which is why I brought up the Corvalis facility. You and Norseman try to poke tiny holes every chance you get, and work at knocking down and undermining everything I say. You two especially ALWAYS use these tactics for fighting against REASONABLE suggestions and ways to advance toward a Sasquatch solution. People are reading, people are watching. They see what you're doing here. They've always seen. How nice! And......? Never mind, I already know. But this is a thread about shooting one, not walking into an official office and simply asking a question. My apologies for explaining a few simple ways to NOT have to worry about making such a decision.