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This. For those who don’t think that a coverup would be possible with so many people involved, look at how the DNR in various states has handled official acknowledgment of mountain lions in various areas. You may occasionally get an individual officer to admit their existence off the record, but otherwise they maintain the official line. One of the theories on why they do that is because official acknowledgment will mean they then have to manage the species…adding to their responsibilities and straining their budgets. And there is definitely a parallel between the government’s handling of the UAP phenomenon and the Sasquatch phenomenon. A subject that has been officially denied and publicly mocked for decades, while those who claimed that it was real were derided as being crazy. Until, the lid came off and it turns out that the phenomenon is very real and that the government was aware of it all along.

As a hunter? I just take everything with a grain of salt. A body is proof. Thats it. But I will say this. State and Federal Fish and Game officials lie through their teeth all the time to fit their agenda. We have seen it with the reintroduction of Wolves. Grizzly bears. Bull trout. Spotted Owls. Cougars. So forth and so on. If there is a unknown species of large possibly dangerous predator lurking on our state and federal lands? There are numerous reasons why they may cover it up. Especially if its smart and they have little or no control. This obviously has a parallel with UFO’s. They apparently didn't want to say for 70 years….. “Um we have advanced aircraft of a unknown origin flying in our airspace and we can do nothing about. Sorry.” No. it was swamp gas, over active imaginations, mars refractions, Venus, and anything they could make stick to make the story go away. Not trying to hijack the thread. Its just a interesting parallel.

I just read the beginning of this on the Youtube video and Dallas Oregon has been my home for 57 years and I loved bow hunting elk in the mountains outside of my home. There were several areas that I hunted that had quite a bit of sasquatch activity and I had many encounters over the years from the mid 70's to the very late 90s. I have experienced mind speak something twice up in the hills of the Coast Range. I know several Rockys, but only two of them hunt that I know of. I'm going to read the rest of the story now.

Sad news, our long time member, Branco, passed away on February 18, 2022 at the age of 87. I will miss him greatly.

Highly unlikely that a wild animal would have insulin issues since they are physically active and eat their natural diet. Insulin resistance I’d imagine is unheard of among both wild animals and human hunter-gatherers.

DANG IT, Huntster! Of all times to run out of "laughy" votes. have a couple of these instead....on me.

Depends in your definition of "moving forward". If you insist on "discovery" for all of mankind, yeah, you might not get there. But if your goal is a personal experience with these creatures, the government's blind eye might actually be to your benefit........ She had a rack, too..........

I think it is a much more promising manner of discovery then what is currently being attempted. Photographic evidence and killing a type specimen both of which if they had any serious potential would likely have proven the species existence by now. IF a specimen has been killed or solid photographic evidence taken, then it is likely that the government agency responsible for any possible coverup confiscated the evidence. We need to remain one step ahead of any potential government conspiracy. For whatever reason, I am convinced that the U.S. and Canadian governments do not want the existence of these creatures to be public knowledge. Which means we need to be smarter than the government agencies and out maneuver them. DNA samples collected from air, water, and footprints is the solution with an independent laboratory on hand to analyze any samples taken.

Big, mature boar bears do. Mature male homo sapiens do. Why not big, mature sasquatches?

On the premise that these creature's exist, but have not been verified due to whatever is in place to thwart discovery whatever level and to whatever degree, is the conclusion boiling down to we are stuck in place with no chance of moving forward? The risks involved in securing proof would seemingly contain at least some reports of interference coercion to NOT pursue the existence question, or pressure to keep solid evidence hidden. But, in reality, other than stories about such action coming from an official level, or conjecture that there may already be proof that is being suppressed, there is no verification of such a cover up or suppression of of evidence for the creature's existence. That said, securing a body, while still very much a serious legal risk at every step in the process one could think along the line of genetics. What is showing tremendous promise is DNA collected from the air. At first it didn't seem like much more than waving one's hands around in a dark gymnasium, but the more I read the better it gets. Two parallel studies, one not knowing about the other, in two different zoos at about the same time, were incredibly impressive. One study, extracting DNA from one of the zoo's atmosphere detected 49 animals. The other study- 70 animals and some of those included common animals OUTSIDE of the zoo like horses, cows, rare hedgehogs, dogs, cows, etc.. This is science. So does anyone think that THIS method, air sampling, would be better and easier to do than, say, water, or soil- or in my case- snow sampling? For myself, I am seriously looking into this new technological method. I mean, an air pump running for 20 minutes with a 22 micron or 45 micron filter on it? Run a set up for under $150 from a campsite! How easy can that be? To repeat the question, does anyone think this is potentially a good way to go?

Nicely said.

"a right to choose self-isolation." Amazing! Thanks for sharing that! Would have loved to have been on that round table! Imagine, once after working out any language barriers with these beings.

Yes. Freeman was “legit” at least in the tracks he showed Meldrum. Who is a leading scientist in archaic human trackways.

There may not have been a precedent set with physical evidence, but the folklore that was passed down from previous generations very closely matches what modern UAP witnesses have been claiming for decades. Don’t go near the strange lights, they will cause you harm. These creatures come into my home at night and take me away. It only seemed like a few hours, but days passed while I was gone. Sometimes people are taken and never return. Mysterious actions being taken that seem to center on the human reproductive system. People have known for generations what is going on, without being able to prove it. Now, there is evidence that what people have been claiming for generations is actually happening and that our government at least has been actively covering it all up. It’s not too far of a stretch to think that the government might very well be doing the same thing with Sasquatch. Look at how they have used ridicule and derision to affect the public’s opinion on UAPs. Look at how they treat the Sasquatch pheromone now.

Except for one thing. There is no historical precedent for Unicorns and fairies. We have never dug up bones that fit the description of what people are seeing. That’s not true of all cryptozoology. Something like Bigfoot existed in the past. It was REAL. So what we are dealing with is something more like a coelacanth. The question isn’t existence. It’s time.

A short list of alterations that may have seemed unlikely for Roger to make (but not impossible??): 1) A fit so well done that the right thigh, which ex-pro linebacker Alex Karras would be jealous of, and calf muscle ripple when the leg is planted (see BFF slider gif) 2) A suit so heavy that the wearer left prints an inch and a half deep in substrate that Roger and Bob's boots couldn't come close to matching when jumping off a stump- and yet still managed to have a 40 inch spacing between prints. 3) a mask/football helmet combination that did not show a rotation of hair at the nape of the neck. But instead the neck hair on the back of the mask remained in context with the hair at the shoulder line. Those kinds of alterations? They don't seem reasonable for anyone to do, never mind Roger. And that's only the tip of the alterations iceberg. But that's all off topic. On topic: we could move into Lyle Laverty and his public ignoring of his own encounter, as well as his photographing of the PGF site footprints, to move up the ladder in his career.

Eyewitnesses also claim to see unicorns, fairies and other imaginary creatures. I don't believe them either. Most if not all footprints could have been faked as many have been. Others misidentified and or changed by the elements. Legends generally have some truth but are in the case of Native Americans are bound by religious beliefs. The Patterson-Gimlin film is an awesome film. Certainly not proof of large man apes roaming the dark forests. Believers can't even agree on the height of the film subject Alterations by Patterson may not seem likely, but certainly not impossible.

Back in the 70's I was at Bluff Creek several times. Walked the sandbar where the film was taken many times. All I ever found were bears and lots of bear tracks. That is how I came up with Bearfoot!

Interesting that you said Wood Ape, @Hoekler73. We have had discussions at length in the past on the BFF where some members have said Sasquatches are unusual or relict apes — while others vehemently believe they are hominids from a divergent line not closely related to chimps and gorillas. The North American Wood Ape Conservancy obviously thinks they are a type of ape, and has been doing research under that name and with that mindset. But I also believe that Wood Ape has a nice ring to it, and doesn’t always imply one type being or another. We simply don’t know for sure. I generally call them Sasquatch. What does Sabe mean?

Regarding government coverups and conspiracies, we also have many self-proclaimed "whistleblowers" popping up frequently on podcasts and other internet media. Hell, we have even had them here. Anonymous individuals claiming to be Ex-cops, Ex-Game Wardens, Ex-Military, Ex-Special Forces etc. Who are these guys exactly? Are they to be believed because of their elite credentials? Are they legit or are they disinformation agents whose intent is to muddy the waters even further? Your thoughts...

Because I'm such a little angel.

If this is your first time at this particular conference, I hope it's a good one for you. On a sidenote: I opened the link and went into "Shop Gifts" and looked at the Thomas Sewid designed Campfire Mugs. Anyone that likes the art work of the tribes in the Pacific Northwest and also likes Bigfoot, would probably like those mugs. Bigfoot in the Northwest tribal design was interesting, along with ones with orca and salmon.

I voted no simply because I don't think there is anything to cover up. Of course if the creatures did exist then I have no doubt there could be an attempt to suppress the real evidence. However, I don't think that it could have not been leaked by now.

There's no govt cover up

Taking a peek at even a flimsy law of averages. None of the Fish and Wildlife agencies, or Fish and Game in ANY of the 50 states has ever run across this creature? None of the thousands of Game Wardens across the US and Canada has ever found any sign of them or seen one? These are all people who have the job of being in the woods checking hunters and traps and investigating dead animal reports and unusual animal predation. Doing bear den surveys in winter to collar and track them. And none have ever publicly reported finding prints or trackways of large bare Human-like feet? EVER? In, say, just the last 30-50years? Although everyday campers and hunters, not even professionals, report seeing such creatures? Because all of those points sure seems to be the reality we are supposed to believe. Well...do you?

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Got any data on how often that happens? Any videos? Any recent aboriginal traditions? Any trace evidence like footprints? I believe that the depth and amount of evidence between sasquatchery and unicorns, fairies, dragons, et al, is exponentially different, not to mention plausibility. Indeed, science actually demands that sasquatch type creatures have existed in the past.

Completely agree!

Very good points. But I would argue that proof has caught the attention of the public. But most people just don’t realize it yet. The Patterson-Gimlin Film is proof. Thousands of eyewitness reports is proof, at least to the thousands that have seen the animal. DNA that has returned as unknown primate is proof. The problem isn’t the lack of proof, the problem is knowing how to recognize the proof that exists. There is more than enough evidence to prove Bigfoot’s existence in a court of law.

I would counter that statement by calling the PG film conclusive evidence. Compelling evidence. Convincing evidence. Unambiguous evidence. Demonstrative evidence. Irrefutable evidence. Decisive evidence. All the "adjective" evidence that skoftics like to trot out as another word for the "proof" they demand, which is really a carcass, and which us illegal or legally risky to provide. Most importantly, the PG film is the precise evidence that should require a documented response from wildlife management agencies. Their universal silence on the film over the past half century is deafening. They should be required to respond, because they are legally responsible for the management of all non-human life on the continent, from insects to bison to polar bears. While numerous private individuals have enhanced and analyzed the PG film, they have remained perfectly silent. If private individuals are to provide proof in the form of a carcass, these agencies need to provide documented permission to do so.

I don't think so. There is a big difference between accusing people of seeing things that are not there and simply asking to see proof.