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Here's a print from the other day, and for you arrowhead hunters....have you ever seen anything like this?

But do we not inevitably come back to the same issue we always do? Contaminated sample? With Any form of e-dna this seems to me, to be the hiccup. With no reference sample of BF DNA we are always going to come back as contaminated. With e-dna, be it soil, water, or now atmosphere, I feel there is less chain of custody so to say. It’s always going to be waived off as contaminated. Idk, just my opinion.

I think that some of you are taking w’s statement on the reality of the situation as a personal indictment of the process. Nowhere did I see where he said that he thought that the idea was useless. He merely stated what the general response would be. We floated the idea of a DNA collection project in this very forum, with the possibility of forum funding. IIRC, I was the first or second to volunteer to participate. It never got off the ground. There are relatively few people involved in this that are willing to spend that kind of money on such a thing, regardless of how dedicated they might publicly portray themselves or what they might say. I am not saying that it wouldn’t be a worthwhile project, but I am also saying that wiiawiwb isn’t incorrect in his assessment of widespread participation.

Decent amount of votes compared to what would be considered regular posters I’d say. I didn’t vote due to neither answer really fitting my opinion. I believe they are aware, but instead of purposely engaging in a coverup it’s more akin to purposely ignoring it. I’m splitting hairs but that’s the way I lean on the subject. A fella is most likely wrong though. 🤷

Thats at a zoo. Animals are kept in those enclosures for life. They are born, poop, pee, eat, sleep, breed and die in those enclosures. In my mind that would mean that the air is just permeated with their DNA. And I concur from the stench that often times accompanies zoos. But that’s not a natural setting. So how would this work for wild animals in a wilderness setting?

That assumes all of those hundreds are willing to take the time to locate a DNA laboratory that will accept such samples and...drum roll...willing to foot the bill. Somehow I suspect it's going to be hundreds per sample or more. Once they see the cost, the reverie will fade in a NY minute.

A thought just suddenly came to me. If we had hundreds of Bigfoot researchers collecting DNA from air pumps all along forest roads this discovery could be made within a year.

I watched it and will continue but I know it's strictly tv entertainment. Aka garbage

The weather finally co-operated this weekend, and the whole group got out for a while on Sunday morning. Thomas. Magniaesir, Alohacop, myself, and my youngest son, Rick, all met at Tim Hortons for breakfast, then headed out to a location where an encounter had been reported to Thomas back in the fall of '07, the day after it had happened. The encounter involved a First Nations hunter looking for bear on the first day of open season. While walking an old logging road through a swampy area, he caught motion out of the corner of his eye, and turned to see a rock, larger than a softball, arcing towards him. It hit the water just 6 to 8 feet away, and he caught a glimpse of a dark shape in the brush on the far side of the weedy pond, disappearing deeper into the timber on the hillside above. Thomas and the late Bill Miller investigated the next day, and found tracks where the hunter indicated he saw the figure, and Thomas got one fairly good cast. Our trip today was to show the location to Alohacop for a future book project. When we arrived at the spot, which I had visited with Thomas several years ago, we found that the area had been dramatically changed due to 2 large sets of high voltage powerline towers having been run right through the swamp, and the adjacent hillside was recently clearcut. Further exploration found the road completely washed out a km further on, from our drastic rain storms of last November, which have damaged many of the resource roads in the region, and may take years to repair. The rest of the group headed back home in the early afternoon, but my son and I chose to explore further. We found the next road system to the East had suffered a similar fate, with about 100' of it gone off the face of the mountain, just 4 km from the highway, and another, 10 km further up the highway was blocked by wet spring snow about the same distance in. After those disappointments, we started heading west, towards home, but took one final FSR, which turned out to be a good choice, as it climbed a SW facing slope, and was almost completely free of snow, with only a few easily handled patches in shady stretches along the ridge at the top. It wandered past a hang glider launch point, where we watched them for 40 minutes or so, then continued to a lake that I could see on Gaia. Just before reaching the lake, we met a man on a trail bike riding out, with a pack and fishing rod on his back. I asked how the fishing was at the lake, and he told us he limited out on 12 to 14" trout through the ice on the lake. We reached the path to the lake a few minutes later, hiked the few hundred yards to the shore, had a quicl look around and took a few pics, and then called it a day, heading back to home and supper.IMG_0967.HEICIMG_0963.HEICIMG_0969.HEICIMG_0972.HEIC

No data. I have seen a famous video of a unicorn in Scotland I believe. I agree in the past similar creatures existed. Its the present which I don't believe they are here and now.

LOL, I guess you could look at it that way. So, we close down the Forum, see anyone and everyone in over 12,000 reports as liars, or they just cannot for some reason look at a bear and see that it's a bear, and just go our merry way. Patty isn't a bear, making the suit in 1967 was virtually impossible, and the width of her shoulders is 40% of her height. Members here have seen the creature. BobbyO, bipedalist, MIB, Dr. HV Hart, BC Witness, Salubrius, NorthWind and Madison, and quite a few others. What do you say to them? To have non-existence would requires some kind of an excuse to explain what they all say they saw. But I think this tread will have to eventually come to terms on the lack of proof issue, because even WITH a cover up, one would think that SOMETHING in the way of proof found it way into the public eye. And that is where things could get really interesting.

I think that is it in a nutshell. Too much at stake to ever allow a dead-body discovery to occur.

You are really asking two questions: 1) Does the government know.? I say yes. 2) Is the government tryibg to cover it up? No.

Found some nice prints, one fresh, the other in limestone and no telling how old. They were within 20 feet of each other, only separated by eons.

Bigfeet kill team laughable, but yes cool story! I have had one interesting encounter with some very unusual NP rangers. Hiking out from a 3day trip, I encountered two male rangers hiking in, both wearing what appeared to the typical ranger uniforms, with backpack packs and shotguns. They were very interested in what campsite I had been in and how my experience was, they also seemed to be in a hurry.

I am sorry I ever brought any of this DNA stuff up. I truly am.

WOW! Hundreds of people at hundreds of dollars apiece? That's sure sounds like a horrible idea to me. Gosh, just think about it- no reverie? What a bummer. Imagine, all those hundreds of people just shut out from the discovery process. Serves them right for not being able to afford DNA testing, huh. BTW, how much DOES it cost? Sounds like you must know, so did you contact several labs and average out their costs? Because if you have a list then maybe someone who might want to do this can choose at least the least expansive place.

That’s a complete and total cop out. With an attitude like that it’s no wonder the discovery hasn’t been made after half a century of research. But I suppose ignorance is bliss since it doesn’t require critical thinking in the slightest.