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"Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones. But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal. A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said." Source of quote: https://www.facebook.com/hell.and.earths/posts/469728891856911

I wanted to post up a thread to wish @joebeelart a speedy recovery after taking a fall where loose rock jumped up and bit him, not usually the way it happens to a retired Marine Corps fighter pilot. But seriously, he will need some PT for a disk and tailbone issue and he needs our prayers and well wishes for a speedy session of recovery. Please let Joe know how much we value him and his contributions to the field of Bigfoot and not a better time to buy the The Oregon Bigfoot Highway! You purchased this item on April 21, 2015 Let's say hello to his wife, who has supported him through thick, thin, and phlegm; Sharon, who edited and published the maps for his book too! https://www.amazon.com/Oregon-Bigfoot-Highway-Joe-Beelart/dp/0692380817 Thanks Joe and Sharon for your support and for your support of Amtrak!

Yep, that would have done it. Or a couple of small tanks and a torch.

I think much more so as bipedal apes as our brains grew? Child birth became difficult. A female needed a support group in order to give birth. Unlike other animals. Once that support group was in place? It out sourced itself to other medical emergencies.

^^^^ Excellent video. Brilliant. I love the idea where these scientists used many people over time attempting to use the same or similar materials to attempt to replicate the desired effect. It reveals this is not so simple as it seems. It's something I have not thought much about. I don't know if 'bigfoot' is thought to use tools. I seem to remember an old Bigfoot show in the 1970's or 1980's vintage where a lady tells of watching for a long time some bigfoot at a shore of some beach using a rock to break up something it was eating. It would make sense some higher animal like a chimp would use what's nearby. The grab and go makes since for a rock to smash something but it wouldn't explain making primitive tools such as this video. The video does a great job illustrating those concepts. If a Bigfoot would use a tool, I would think it would be more along the lines of an ape grabbing that stick. Primitive man as a concept also had clothing and clothing might have a way to have a bag or pocket to carry tools or ingredients or whatever for later use. The harder the tool would be to create the more motivation it would be to keep the result of that hard work. I think the video is interesting. If bigfoot would use a tool (high or low-level sophistication) is not as important as what ability it might have to think in an advanced way. Can Bigfoot think in an advanced way? I would expect that answer to be yes. The Q next is just how advanced? Thanks for posting it.

This is what it means to me. Purpose built tools. Stuff. Humans were the first animals that started accumulating items. Which has apexed with garages, uhauls and mini stg! Chimps will fashion a stick to fish for termites but will discard it when their belly is full. It’s rudimentary anyhow and can make a new one in a few minutes. The mind that made the 1.5 million year old hand axe? Was something wholly different. On another scale. Human. https://www.sapiens.org/archaeology/hand-ax/

Too many times people attribute characteristics to ‘ Bigfoot’ I see shows like finding Bigfoot where they imply all kinds of things which no one can reasonably know even if we knew Bigfoot existed. They seem to almost know what Bigfoot’s favorite color is, favorite food, and so on. is Bigfoot human? The truth is how can anyone know what it is? When I see someone suggest Bigfoot is human I put this in the same category as knowing Bigfoot’s favorite color. I’ll assume the meaning is really Bigfoot is a human like ape. Bigfoot a human? Hmmmm. I have never had a sighting to make my own impression so I guess if those actual eyewitnesses flatly stated they are human then who should I be to say otherwise. But do they? In all these shows it just seems most the eyewitnesses say they saw a ‘ thing’ or creature. If they were describing a human they would say “ I saw this big guy, a big hairy dude in the woods”. If that’s the bulk of the description of Bigfoot sightings, then I stand corrected. as someone who is undecided I don’t have a dog in the fight. I think even Gimlin said in the Arthur c clark interview it looked like a big hairy human being or words to that effect. I have spent some time at the St. Louis zoo I will say those established, captive apes seem very human to me. Maybe we project that with our minds to make them seem more human the way I do with my dog. I might buy a North American primate is out there but I don’t think there’s a hidden North American human tribe waiting to be discovered. Maybe I just don’t understand what is meant by human.

Ha! Fun. I did much the same a few years back on a little Honda Ruckus. The small wheels make them really twitchy in mud. I managed to stay upright, but I was sideways, with both feet in mud up to the ankles. I was out again today, as well, with the same results; no sightings or sign at all. My excitement came on the way back out. I had gone through an open gate for a work area (repairs of last fall's huge washouts) that had a sign saying the gate would be locked at 4:30 PM. I got back there at 2:10 to find it locked, and no one around. Though I had heard some chatter on the radio earlier, no one had said "We're leaving, get out". Way out past cell service, of course. After some discussion, my son, our lady passenger, and I decided to build a bypass around the gate by towing some large boulders out of the way and digging into the uphill bank to make a shallow enough slope to keep the truck from flipping over. Two hours later, with only one minor dent in the rear driver's side door, we were on the other side of the gate, and headed home.