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If you have something you want tested? I can privately give you a contact. But I do not think these people want to be showered with DNA samples from random people.

Which I consider a compliment indeed, Huntster

With all due respect, Norseman, and I mean that, there is a difference between Ketchum and "Ketchum's DNA." Ketchum was only the data interpreter. The actual raw DNA data results themselves came out of those twelve independent labs and so had nothing to do with Ketchum. And that raw data from those labs is where Dr. Haskell Hart came up with that chart of DNA mutations that are rare in Humans but common in other primates. My advice? Go for the science, not the person. Hopefully you'll understand that fact and finally stop throwing the Sasquatch Genome Project's raw data/baby out with the bath water.

No, your good. And I put no stock in Ketchum’s DNA. I think she is a quack. I like some of Paulides work. Some of it I don’t. Either way I see stuff and so I share it here. I also don’t think he represents Meldrum’s position correctly. Meldrum isn’t saying it’s a Gorilla, it’s gonna be much much closer to humans than a Gorilla. Only that it grazes on vegetation more like a Gorilla than a modern human.

I think it was just a cautionary warning so we don’t get startled if it turns out to be a Sasquatch doing its eye glow thing and us thinking it’s a member of our group. The area that my wife and the other members of the group seen the red eye glow was the same area that someone in our group had seen a blueish/green eye glow come from. After hearing about what he saw, we made trek up the hill to investigate and that’s when the red eye glow was spotted. Was it the same Sasquatch? I don’t know. As we were leaving the area from where the red eye glow was seen, I could hear LOUD foot falls following us down the trail. It basically escorted us out of the area. It was huge sounding, and 100% bipedal. Sorry about the foul language. I’ll keep it rated G.

No. There isn't any infrared light at night. Animals have evolved to use starlight and wander around very easily in pitch black scenarios. Thanks G. The whole-body fundamental resonant frequency is about 5Hz. The resonant frequency of the eyeball is 18--800Hz. To figure out equipment, I will need to find a range of frequencies and air pressure waves to work with. I have to re-watch "Blazing Saddles", the campfire scene. Was that vegetarian or original recipe? Inquiring minds need to know. Back to the thread title. Glowing eyes is something else. Other colors have been reported. We are guessing at this time about their ability to project and control light from their eyes. I have never been zapped. I feel left out. My opinion on the responses to zapping is amino acid imbalance. People have a variety of responses to visual stimuli like sight of needles, sight of blood, heights, round shapes walking towards us, round shapes walking away from us and more.

I have an idea. Lets conduct an experiment to see if we can reproduce the effects with infrasound. @Catmandoo and I will scrounge infrasound generating equipment. Maybe @hiflier can write the National Guard and convince them to let use their crowd control equipment for this experiment. @MIB, we'll start with a low dose and work our way up... let us know when the symptoms approximate the actual event (or not) I know @BlackRockBigfoot wants to know how it feels, I'm sure he would volunteer!

I'd like to answer for myself on that one. The specifics of the situation leave little alternative. I awoke to a situation with a number of components. 1) There were strange pressure points inside of my eye sockets and they were moving. Not painful or even uncomfortable, just .. weird. Never before, never since. It was too dark to see, 9:45 pm guestimate under heavy timber in a deep mountain basin, 50/50 cloud cover, before moonrise. Black as the inside of a boot except for a few stars between clouds. I suspect even with light I would have been blind because the vibrations and pressure were mostly in the general area of the optic nerve around the back of the eye. 2) Hyperventilating. I heard very fast, very very deep breathing. 3) The muscles in my face were spasming uncontrollably. Like they were firing randomly without any input from my brain to control / coordinate them. 4) Intense "congestion" .. could not breath through my nose and struggled to breath through my mouth. I thought I was dying. I thought the hard hike from 2000 feet to 6000 feet had done me in. 5 miles from the road, more from cell service. I did not expect to live. 5) Mid-panic I began to notice that the rhythm of the breathing I could hear felt out of sync with my own chest. I managed an experiment .. I crossed my arms over my chest to be sure it was not rising and falling, then held my breath. The sound continued unchanged. I started figuring and concluded the source of the breathing was not past my feet, that was too far. It was not beyond my head because there was another tent there. It wasn't the guy in that tent 'cause I could hear him move occasionally and the location was wrong. It was, by my best guess, 18-24 inches from my face. I still don't know if it was to my left, my right, or standing directly over me. I was in a low bivy .. would have been possible. 6) I lay there struggling to breath .. I could, with labor, mouth breath .. and trying to figure out just what the [expletive deleted] was happening to me. After a few minutes, there was a soggy thud 25-30 yards outside of camp, then shortly after that, a clean power-knock from about 75 yards away and off maybe 45 degrees uphill and past my feet. The breathing did not change. This means there were <at least> 2, probably 3, "whatevers", not just 1. 7) It was difficult to move but possible. I was thirsty, forced my hand to move to open the tent, get my water bottle, drank about half of it, re-capped it, and put it back. 8) I have low back problems. Eventually as this "event" continued (breathing unabated), I had to roll over to ease the pain. I did this twice. Some time after that, I think about 45 minutes after I initially woke up, I fell asleep. I woke up about 12:30 or so. The moon was up. The breathing, etc were gone. I had not noticed in the moment how quiet it had been when all that was going on but when I woke up it was very bright, there were bugs and birds making noise in the trees around camp and fish splashing in the lake. There was zero congestion, neither sinus nor chest. No weakness. Nothing amiss at all. The next morning the canteen was exactly where remembered putting it, half full, capped. It was not imagined. That removes sleep paralysis and false wakening from any further consideration. The only source I'm aware of which is clinically consistent with all of the symptoms simultaneously is infrasound. (I am open to other intelligent suggestions but not to being insulted by attempts to sweep the uncomfortable back under the carpet, which is about all I've experienced so far .. so I apologize if I get a bit prickly.) .. but that still doesn't account for glowing red eyes. That's something else. MIB

I hope that my comments are not coming across as aggressive or trite. These are all issues that I have been spending a great deal of time and thought on recently.

No problem at all. Never a problem. I would never think that. I'm with you on this. Even a fossil of some Dinosaur is in fact a body on the slab to some extent. I think an extremely obvious film/video would be hard to dismiss. I'm not expecting them to do cartwheels, but I would expect massive, peaked interest by this group and a near complete elimination of their diminishment of the 'Bigfoot is real' community. Meldrum would be looked at as a groundbreaking figure vs the black sheep he is considered likely by some to be. If a person had only a male or only a female, I doubt they are going to just say they will ignore the 500lb gorilla in the room because they would prefer to have both male and female. At this time, but for a MASSIVELY EXCELLANT VIDEO we do need a body. What I am saying is a great home run video would not be the same as a body it would be essentially a game changer for science and as far as the media and the public it would be essentially accepted as fact. I have no problem ZERO with the skeptics or scientists wanting a body, DNA and even a note from my mom. But I am simply saying a home run obvious video would be so close as the next best thing it would effectively change the game.

As you already know, there is a world of difference between evidence and proof. The former occurs along the pathway while the latter is moment you arrive at the end of your journey. I think of what I do as my pathway, including all the twists turns I never expected, and where and when it ends I haven't a clue. I'll still keep plugging away knowing that what I've experienced is nothing more than separate pieces of evidence which, when taken together, are more than enough for me to form the basis of my opinion. All of that results in a sum total of zero for scientific analytical purposes and that's ok by me.

The JREF don't hate our guts because we have big claims and zero proof. They despise us because they feel superior, and we're the inferior drones who they need to look down on. Just one trackway got me into full belief. If it doesn't for others, that's fine by me. And an adolescent, and a pre-adolescent, and a pre-born, and an elderly, and.........as many as they can get others to pay them to get. Then they'll need a collection of them in captivity. That's okay. I simply reject both the rules and the game. I'm not interested in playing.

Nope, LOL, yer good!

People tend to forget how we came about. I had a doctor lecture me on vegetarianism. We are not predators. We lack sharp teeth. I told him that’s what his opposable thumb was for. And that his 1200cc fat filled brain was not developed eating berries and tubers. We made stone weapons and stabbed and clubbed things to death and then butchered it into mobile steaks to take back to the cave. Yes. Modern apes except humans live in tropical climates. But we don’t. Yes people will say but look at our technology… But again they forget that we moved out of Africa with nothing more than a primitive hand axe. I think the map I provided of Erectus is wrong. I think it’s hyper conservative. But even then France, Greece and Georgia get cold in the winter. If our genus was not adapted to the cold? We would not be here. We would still probably be fighting Chimps for territory in a African jungle somewhere.