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Hey I’m johns, I’m a recent fan of the forum and love exploring the details of possible Sasquatch sightings. I’ve never seen one and remain a skeptic, however am certainly open to the idea. Also love survivorman

A beautiful winter wonderland. Thanks for sharing.

I can imagine it's something that would be perplexing and maybe even unsettling as most of us are only used to seeing eye shine when using a flashlight or being around light.

@norseman I grew up in Spokane and spent many happy hours at CDA. Gorgeous area. Can't say that I miss snow much, though! Might be heading up into snow tomorrow with NorthWind. If we do, I'll think of you!

^^^^ I think I have to agree with you regarding "zapped". Never had it happen, only had it described. What has been described to me, called "zapped", does not fit what I experienced. It's subjective rather than objective .. people describe things in terms familiar to them whether they are misleading or not. I dug pretty hard trying to get past the inconsistent use of labels to get to the core of what people were describing. I think EMF is a closer fit to what some experienced. A seemingly large portion of people who report what I call zapped (again, different than what I experienced) seem to have long term medical issues including cancer. What I experienced first hand .. I'll stick with infrasound for now. This other stuff .. I don't think so. When you "get inside of it", it's fundamentally different. The gear you're talking about for detecting infrasound .. I'm interested in learning more. How it works, how much support equipment it takes in the field, power consumption .. the sort of things that would tell me how practical it would be for doing some investigation in my favorite research area.

Modified by the factory for use in the field. Measures sound under 20Hz. The standard version is used for elephant research, monitoring infrasonic emissions from wind turbines, and by astronomers. I needed one that could be a bit more durable and by used on the move. The original needed to be hooked up to a PC in order to display its readings as well as for power. Honestly, I got it to test out the infrasound theory. My hypothesis is that the “zapped” symptoms are more likely caused by a strong em field... if not ionizing radiation. A friend of mine suffered some pretty severe long term health issues and the person that he was with during his encounter never seemed to recover and died a relatively short time afterwards. Add on the equipment drains and malfunctions…. And infrasound seems less and less likely. I have been on a deep dive into infrasound over the past year or so. There are a lot of misconceptions out there. It sounds crazy, so I haven’t really discussed it on here. But, it is what it is. These sorts of devices are used to monitor elephants use of infrasound, so if something is out there using it to effect people or communicate, then I will be able to pick it up and possibly even triangulate in on it. Might not yield anything, but there are enough people out there banging on trees and howling at the sky. I want to try some new approaches.

With all due respect, Norseman, and I mean that, there is a difference between Ketchum and "Ketchum's DNA." Ketchum was only the data interpreter. The actual raw DNA data results themselves came out of those twelve independent labs and so had nothing to do with Ketchum. And that raw data from those labs is where Dr. Haskell Hart came up with that chart of DNA mutations that are rare in Humans but common in other primates. My advice? Go for the science, not the person. Hopefully you'll understand that fact and finally stop throwing the Sasquatch Genome Project's raw data/baby out with the bath water.

Judging from what I know you've been experiencing lately, I sincerely hope never to have a feeling of being "zapped" again!!!

Fair enough. What I experienced was exactly what people have described and attributed to infrasound. Terror, nausea, panic, a feeling like I might puke. I had no idea what was happening at the time. (And what was happening at that time, was that I was trading whistles with some two things in the woods at nearly midnight and was suddenly overcome with terror, so much so that I groveled on the floor of my minivan in tears in a fetal position. The sensation turned off like a light and I recovered immediately and opened my van door and continued on).

This book was a disappointment and a waste of time and money. I was expecting useful information and new insights from somebody who claims to have been a subject matter expert on data analytics for the Office of Secretary of Defense. The book is about Denver’s opinions and observations of the people who participated on a couple of BFRO expeditions back in 2004 (one to the Olympic National Forest in WA and one to the Monongahela NF in WV). He never mentions BFRO (probably to prevent libel suits), but you can deduce that from the hints he provided on how those expeditions were organized and led. He also covers his experiences on a private expedition to the Adirondacks in 2006 with Don Barone (ESPN writer), his friend Spinner (retired State Trooper), and others. Both Denver Riggleman and Don Barone were past members of BFF and their posts on their Adirondacks expedition are found in the BFF 1.0 Archives (see link below). Most of the book is spent mocking BF enthusiasts who go to these expeditions and their leaders. Riggleman, Spinner, and Barone are skeptics and that is the proper way to approach these expeditions and the claims made by participants. Nonetheless, they are so cynical (probably based on their past interactions with humans) that every witness or BFRO participant/leader must be in for the money, psychological needs, or is a loser who can’t distinguish signal from noise. Only he and his buddy Spinner, are the only observers that can be trusted. Denver is probably right, that in both of those expeditions nothing BF happened, and folks were embellishing or being irrationally exuberant about noises heard or shadows seen. Nonetheless, I find it hard to believe that the author can draw conclusions on the merits of these organized expeditions and write a whole book based just on his bad experiences on those 2 expeditions. I also agree with Denver in that most of these BF expeditions are more about social gatherings than serious BF research to collect evidence. However, not all expeditions are the same and their quality depends on the expedition's leaders and their approach (all are different). I agree with him that there are plenty of loonies, true believers, and gullible people in the BF community and some of these people go on expeditions. Nonetheless, the value of an analyst is to discern a signal among the noise and to focus on those signals instead of writing a whole book about the noise. Also, there are honest, diligent, and hardworking researchers in BFRO and other BF research organizations that are not cynically pursuing this research for the money, fame, or psychological needs. These are citizen scientists who are curious and have a long term hobby. These folks do not exist in this book except for the author who is the only guy with analytical skills. Obviously, he never had a close daylight sighting with these unknown creatures, otherwise he would be more respectful/tolerant of eyewitness testimony. He (when he was 10-years old) and his grandfather had an encounter with some unknown animal that made loud noises while approaching them in WV, but they never saw it and thus can’t truly say it was a BF. That early encounter is what led him to participate in a BFRO expedition and look for evidence. It took him a long time to publish this book in 2020 since his BF expeditions were in 2004 and 2006. Maybe he had to wait until he exited politics. He was a former politician from Virginia who served one term as the United States representative for Virginia's 5th congressional district. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_Riggleman There are much better books describing what goes on in BF research expeditions by more serious journalists (for example, Monster Trek by Joe Gisondi).