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That I have. I would take a photo of you to prove it but no one would believe me. I'd cast your boot print but that wouldn't be proof either. A recording of you speaking? Nope, not good enough. Forum members are just going to have to take my word for it that you are real. Others may have seen you and may have even filed reports but there claims would just be stories. And, for the record, I wouldn't dare try to take a hair sample. You have disappeared almost before my very eyes at times, however, so I can't rule out that you may be interdimensional and use portals. All in all? I am a Kiwakwe proponent in that I'm convinced you exist, proving it to others though?

So, last summer I had some personal business in NW Ohio and used Cambridge, OH as a stopover point, which is the closest town to Salt Fork State Park. I summarized my field trip findings and posted some interesting pics in a prior post linked here: Salt Fork Summer '22 Trip Summary . I made the same trip a few weeks ago in mid-January. Originally was going to do an dusk/evening hike but arrived later than expected and it was pitch black, freezing, and wet. I geared up appropriately and put on a headlamp, but decided the better part of valor was discretion and just tooled around a bit at the beginning of the Morgan's Knob Trail (the pine forest part, if anyone's been to it before). I then left the trail and drove off the beaten path on some of the gravel roads in the park to see if I might get lucky with a sighting, but no dice. Absolutely beautiful stargazing, though. The next day in the late morning I made it out for some hiking. I went to check out the area where I'd seen what I suspected was a tree structure on my prior trip and was pleased to see it was still there, unchanged (pics 2 and 3 below). More interesting than that, though, was the trio of pushed-over trees I noticed on my hike out to the tree structure (pic 1 below). They looked a bit odd b/c no other trees around them were pushed over or had fallen over, and it seemed the three were intentionally pushed over in the same direction. Not sure it's significant, but it did look interesting, and I'm curious to know what others think. Anyway, after my hike, I did a few more short walks, and then drove in a loop on some of the gravel roads in the park. Came upon a pickup truck with some bigfoot stickers on it, and stopped to have a nice chat with a fellow 'squatcher named Wayne who had driven down from PA. I gave him some tips on the known hotspots in the park, and we showed each other photos of tree structures we both had come across. His was from North Georgia and wasn't too different in appearance (kind of an asterisk shape) in the one I'd found at Salt Fork. I'd heard on a recent Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio podcast that the asterisk-shaped structures supposedly commemorate a birth.

It has parents? There goes my spore theory.

Of the top of my head for those that I'm most familiar with? Olympic Project et al, NAWAC et al, members Norseman, wiiawiwb, MIB, BC Witness BlackRockBigfoot, Madison, NorthWind, Kiwakwe, along with several others. I also know many personally that are not members of the BFF who I've either contacted or are associated with: a LEO and a former LEO, a couple of biologists, a microbiologist, a chemist involved in DNA, a primatologist, and someone deeply involved with hair morphology with respect to DNA, and various fields of academia. I've also emailed and got responses from experts in osteology (bones) as well as the former head of the University of California system's citizen science e-DNA collection program. This isn't to say that all are proponents but the reception across the board has never been negative, and my outreach over the past 6 years includes many more.

Nice adventuring in a hot spot. It's always interesting to meet and talk with fellow squatchers. The intertwining in pics 1 & 2 is intriguing. Pic 1 is something I see frequently in similarly treed areas here in BC, and I attribute it to a combination of wind and snow load taking out the poorly rooted specimens.

So glad you had such sterling help on tap from the 4x4 Rescue forum! It must have been such a relief when he showed up.

And yet another troll has hatched.

Norse has a groupie.

And how would you know who is a fraud and who isn't?

A fairly serious statement. Personally, I don't consider the rest of the BFF members that I listed to be frauds either.

That is something I would greatly look forward to, sir. And I couldn't be more in agreement that the data "could" be correct, and I am indeed inclined to think that it is. But I also agree that, since Dr. Hart is not the source of the data, it can present a limiting level of scientific confidence. I thank you for your patience with me and I will wait to see if your and Dr. Hart's work can further support Table 22 in the future. If it can be, then hopefully, with so much riding on the outcome, it will be accepted by professional and citizen scientists alike- whether they be Sasquatch proponents or not. I also think it was important for the Forum and its members to see this discussion and, for that reason, I am grateful our your dialogue. It's all good.

Personal opinion here from a city slicker: I do not think Bigfoot -should it exist- would be any different in most aspects to some ape in a zoo. That is, Bigfoot doesn't hibernate. I could be completely wrong. But, when we need to add more and more unlikely things on the scale to make our theory work, then it probably doesn't work. The truth should generally fall into place as I see it pretty easily. Places that have real winter have the cold to deal with and everything that means. There are not any berries growing. Outdoor food sources are harder to come by. Snow falls. There are tracks of many other animals out there but somehow there are not many or any of Bigfoot. What are the options: 1) Bigfoot does not live in these areas (for the reasons I just listed) or 2) Bigfoot would be one of the only primates who happens to hibernate. Maybe we could even say for Bigfoot to exist in these winter spots Bigfoot would need to defy all expectations of other ape-like known animals and be able to hibernate. How likely should that expectation be?

That became a huge issue here. Young thugs would steal SUVs and pickups in Anchorage, drive them around collecting party materials, then drive them out to the Knik River valley, outside the jurisdiction of the Anchorage Police Dept. and where there was no police coverage outside of the overstretched Alaska State Troopers. They would then get drunk, shoot the vehicle up, then set it on fire. This was happening to the tune of 150-180 vehicles per year......nearly one every two days. In the political backlash, it was revealed that Troopers feared confronting armed, drunken teen thugs because they feared shooting them and facing being sacrificed by the Department of Public Safety in an angry, emotional revenge pushback by parents seeking a lawsuit, which has occurred before. The Department uses any such event to pressure local government (the borough, or "county") to stand up and fund its own regional police department (or "sheriff's department, but unelected by the people). In short, it's a mess. Intensity of the problem ebbs and flows. The public remains in jeopardy.

I would strongly encourage you to access the SSR database. Admittedly, it takes a little while to understand how to enter search criteria but when you do you can customize your search. For example, I wanted to see what time of day/night produced the most sightings in my research region. That has been very helpful and what I've seen or heard over the years has fallen coincidentally occurred within those results. In your case, you might try searching sightings in your area at various altitude levels to see if there are differences by season to see if can develop a pattern. To be successful, a professional bass fisherman/woman must quickly drill down on criteria for that particular day and conditions. Termerature change, atmospheric pressure, water levels changes, color, season, time of day, shadows, and a thousand more. It may not be much different with sasquatches. Certain conditions could have them behaving a certain way. Good luck with the SSR and don't hesitate to ask us questions. We're happy to help.

And who are these supposedly serious Bigfoot researchers that are out there?

I'm a little late getting my report up for Saturday's outing, as I was pretty tired on Sunday from my (mis)adventure. I wasn't able to get anyone to come along for the day, so I planned a brief afternoon solo trip up Mt Murdo, about 30 minutes from home, as I could see there was snow at the upper level, making for good track spotting. The trip up from the main FSR was steep, but fairly smooth and easy. At the point where there's a nice saddle between adjacent peaks, I encountered snow, with tire ruts continuing over the saddle and down into the creek gorge and up the other side a couple of km further on. I drove over the saddle into the north facing slope of the gorge, and the snow got deeper, but not touching the undercarriage. I could see there was less snow on the other, south facing, side of the valley, so I figured I'd continue over there, then turn around and head back out. I dropped into the valley to the bridge across the creek, and spun out climbing the slope on the far side of the bridge. I took a couple of runs at it, then decided to call it done and back across the bridge and try to turn around on the other side to go back up the north side of the valley. I didn't even make it all the way back across the bridge before the truck high centered on the snow, and refused to move forward or reverse. OK, I'm equipped for this. I got the traction boards and shovel down off the roof rack and worked at the rear tires to get the tip of the boards under the tire tread. I found it tough going, as the temp had dropped to -2C as the wind picked up at about 4:30, with the sun now behind the ridge. The snow was very hard, with a thick crust of ice, making digging very slow. I tried to get the rear tires to bite on the boards, but they couldn't get enough grip to start climbing them, So I got going with the shovel again and tried to get the boards further under the tires. It was now 5:30, dark, and the wind was really blowing hard down the creek gulch, so even in my good winter jacket, gloves, and toque I could only work out there for 10 minutes at a time before I had to warm up in the truck again. Now it was time to call for help. I turned on my Zoleo, paired it to the cell phone, and texted my son. I knew his 4x4 was down for repairs (broken front coil spring), so I asked him to go online to BC 4x4 rescue and recovery, a regional volunteer group I belong to, to give them my location and circumstances. He had trouble getting on their website, and asked my daughter for help. She also had difficulties, so she called the forum contact number, and got the owner of the site on the phone. He said he'd organize some help and keep me informed. In short order I got texts from a fellow in Coquitlam, a little over an hour away, and one from the forum boss, Chris, who said he was in Squamish, over 3 hours away, but was heading to Vancouver anyway, so would continue towards me until he knew I was out and safe. Knowing help was on the way was reassuring, so I got back to try to self extract. I put my chains on, and dug a bit more to get the boards far enough under the tread to get some traction. That actually worked, getting me about a truck length further back across the bridge, but one of the chains came loose and wrapped around the left rear axle, so I now had to clear that mess before I could move again. I was on my back half under the rear of the truck, trying to find the hook to open the inside chain circle, when Andrew, the fellow from Coquitlam arrived, in his diesel Colorado with a winch, YAY! It was now 8:30, and I was getting pretty tired, but Andrew scooted under the truck and found the release hook in less than 2 minutes, and we worked out our plan. My H3 was still high centered and stuck, so he pulled out his winch line, and a couple of straps to extend the pull, so he could be as far away from the crusty mess I was stuck in as possible. Once rigged up to the D ring on my rear bumper, he slowly winched me up the hill from the bridge about 80', then unhooked, and we both slowly backed up the ruts in the snow towards the top of the saddle, He got out of the ruts at one point, and had to use my truck as an anchor to pull himself back into the track. After about a km of reversing in the ruts, we reached a spot where the snow was shallow enough and the road wide enough to make a 3 point turn, and we were free and on our way down! About 2 km from the main FSR, we met Chis coming up the mountain, even though I had texted that we were out and safe. He turned around and followed us down to the paved road, where we stopped to chat. I thanked them profusely for their epic effort to help an old guy, and offered gas money and dinner, which they both refused. They left for their homes, and I stopped for a few minutes to make some calls to family that I was now safe and headed home, then got out of the truck for a quick check for damage and to have a pee, when 2 RCMP cruisers pulled up, boxing me in, wanting to know what i was up to out there at almost midnight. After hearing my tale, and checking my ID, they left, and I finally got to maker the final 30 minute drive home. I spent all day Sunday resting my aching body and putting all my gear back in place in the H3. The only tracks I saw in the snow were human and canid.

The only one in that group that I couldn't call an absolute fraud is Norseman... There's only one way to prove Bigfoot exists and 99% of supposed researchers aren't even willing to consider doing it. That's why bigfoot "research" is a joke.