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Grizzlies were hunted to near extinction. Bigfoot are not hunted. How much money does a gorilla actually need? Is their rent expensive? Are the prices of leaves going up? I wonder how much of these funds actually go to the cause. From my light internet research, 90% of these funds usually go to payrolling the organization. I can't think of many times that humans have been a net positive on the environment. I take it you are 100% on the ape side; if these beings are closer to human than ape, do you still think we should push them into the mainstream? If they are a relict hominid, their elusive nature is intentional. Any thoughts around that aspect of it or does it change how you'd see it? I appreciate your perspective. Nice to not see eye to eye with someone on a forum and to actually have it turn into conversation, not devolve into mud slinging. Respect!!

I haven't commented on this site for a few years. In fact, one of the last times I remember commenting was in another thread that concerned mitochondrial DNA. Some of the "regulars" treated me like an idiot. Frankly, it was because they had no knowledge of some of the foundations of cell biology. I'm going to make a few points and they can either do their research or dismiss me as an idiot again. First of all, you have to look at mitochondria as a primitive bacteria that was incorporated into what are now eukaryotic cells. We're talking about an event that occurred billions of years ago. For those who are unfamiliar with this concept, it is called Endosymbiotic Theory. Why it's important to understand this concept is that one needs to view mitochondria as symbiotic "parasites" that multiply and pass on their genetics completely independently from our nuclear DNA. Secondly, the mitochondria (and thus the mtDNA) of a mother are passed on to the subsequent generation within the cytoplasm of the mother's egg. It is a continuous line of passage through the female. Thirdly, the mtDNA is very stable. While there is always a possible evolutionary upside for variation in nuclear DNA, there really isn't one for mitochondria. They have a small genome, and most mutations probably won't work out. In fact, most mutations will quickly result in an individual cell's death. Based on the nature of mtDNA inheritance and mtDNA's tendency to maintain its integrity over time, I do find it possible that Bigfoot mtDNA would be indicated as "human" when tested. We frankly have no idea how closely we are related to Bigfoot. And while I'm not going to go to any length to defend Melba Ketchum's studies, I will say that any Bigfoot breeding with a human female, even if it only happened one time, thousands of years ago, would produce a mtDNA "human" result in a sample from a descendant today.

I'm dense. makes sense lol

Norse has a long-stated policy of willingness to use a rifle to settle the Bigfoot question. Your comment was "Do you think scientific acceptance would be good or bad for this animal?" Ash states "Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun." I thought it was self-explanatory, but I often have odd notions.

Respect to you as well! Their rent is extremely expensive, because starving Africans want to slash and burn their remaining habitat and turn it into a avocado farm. Humans are great at making the environment work for ourselves at the expense of other species. The trick is raising awareness that we may want to keep a few of those species around. I mean Diane Fossey was killed by Gorilla poachers. So I cant speak for her whole organization but I do think it has stayed the axe. Rich people through eco tourism allows the Gorillas to exist and the region to get an influx of cash. If the donations simply keep tourists coming? They are doing their job. Humans are great apes. Bigfoot will be a great ape. Obviously they are bipedal so I would put them closer to a human than say a Chimp. But regardless? Until we have a body on a slab? We wont know just how closely related we are to it. This species escapes classification. And so therefore they have no Diane Fossey. Maybe the species is doing fine. But maybe it is not. Ive never seen one. Ive seen a convincing set of snow tracks in 1980. Thats not a-lot to go on. And that was a long time ago. They will never be Mountain Gorillas. Your never going to track them through the forest with Aunt Betsy in tow. But we cannot find a bone or tooth or a corpse any where? I mean I accept forest Ninjas to a point but it gets outta hand. They dont own crematoriums!🤣 So then it becomes a conspiracy theory and why.

Mitochondrial DNA does mutate. There are thousands of different human haplogroups, all descended from a single female, Mitochondrial Eve, over some 100,000 years or so (experts differ on this time span). Some haplogroups have over 100 mutations from MtEve. Some diseases have mitochondrial origins.

I need to apologize for coming off so snarky in my first paragraph. I was just remembering the last time I brought forth the concept of an endosymbiotic origin for mitochondria and how it was received.

If any of you know of https://tubitv.com/ (sign up free with email) there are a ton of BF/Sasq movies, docs, legends etc just search it. I have made it a weekly BF Friday binge. Of course some are beyond sh*t but some have their moments and some are good watching..

Yet he asks all research groups and individuals to hand over the eDNA results and get with the program because it is so easy HE can do it? Hmmm, cuts both ways on the old double standard doesn't it!

Nobody leaves the BFF for long.

I am pretty tired of the same documentaries over and over again. The loose recipe: 1. some random person who had an experience or two and has some "knowledge" about the subject matter, usually wearing a sasquatch tshirt and saying they had no interest in the subject before their encounter 2. B roll forest footage with mysterious ambient music 3. map shots 4. no out in the field research, and if so, 1 night camping in a hotspot with some unexplainable noises happening most of the time with no evidence other than another guy in a bigfoot shirt telling a story So, of course I will be watching and I will love it. I am sick.