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What is unsavory is Hiflier's longstanding "I know best" attitude, and his feeling that he is justified in demanding things from the community as a whole. The bigfoot "enthusiast" community, for lack of a better term, isn't monolithic, nor do all its members share motivations and desires. Many of us don't care a bit about proving anything. Not to science, to friends or family, or to society at large. We want to learn and to experience, not be scolded and dictated to.

I always thought communities should support each other and that's what we try to do here. Hiflier complains about people not producing the goods, but fails to mention he hasn't produced anything either. I just find it unsavory to cast stones at others without looking in the mirror first.

Wrong. From Nature: A 130,000-year-old archaeological site in southern California, USA " ..... Th/U radiometric analysis of multiple bone specimens using diffusion–adsorption–decay dating models indicates a burial date of 130.7 ± 9.4 thousand years ago. These findings confirm the presence of an unidentified species of Homo at the CM site during the last interglacial period (MIS 5e; early late Pleistocene), indicating that humans with manual dexterity and the experiential knowledge to use hammerstones and anvils processed mastodon limb bones for marrow extraction and/or raw material for tool production. "

I am not wrong for seeing the current situation for what it is. Down votes are fine and dandy. I'm getting things off my chest that have been eating at me for years. Nothing noble about it either. And if anyone thinks I enjoy this kind of thing they are wrong. It bothers the hell out of me to have to say anything. But it needs saying. he business side of the Bigfoot phenomenon is a total embarrassment and actually harms the perception the public has of researchers. And as far as this thread goes along with my posts? I'm actually being pretty civil compared to what I really could say about the whole stinking mess that the subject of Bigfoot has become. I would take one Grover Krantz, or one John Bindernagel, over a thousand money makers or a thousand Moneymakers any day. Truth.

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It’s sobering when we know 1000 times more about a subject than TV producers do….. what else does this apply to?

Absolute rubbish it was.

I ALWAYS look in the mirror, gigantor, and have never, ever asked anyone to do anything I haven't done or am doing for myself. Communities SHOULD support each other but I see no one who has ever seriously supported or who have ever seriously done what I do to get at the bottom of this BF business. And anyone who has been here more than five years KNOWS what I've done and have tried to encourage others to help out. Doesn't happen. Criticism happens, though, is spades which as far as I can tell is all anyone here is good for. I thank you all for nothing because that's pretty much the extent of my experience n this Forum. I got something on a trail camera at 2am this past Sunday morning. First time ever. Do you think there is a snowball's chance that I would post it here? Nope. ain't gonna happen. WHY? It isn't proof. Got tree knocks a year ago. Think I would mention it on this Forum back when it happened? Again, no, because it isn't proof. The point being that the Bigfoot business side isn't about proof, it's about hype and sensationalism, and people strutting around who are famous for....what exactly? Not proof of Sasquatch that's for sure. This Game I'm talking about and playing is aimed at pulling the rug out from underneath all of that. It's all little more than a useless sham playing acting like some kind of serious endeavor at getting to the truth and I will do everything I can think of to sink this side of Bigfootery. So much time, so much energy, and so much money spent building peripheral enterprises and doing everything BUT going after this creature en mass and finishing the most important hunt of the last 200 years. And as the cash cow it has become, as the slap in the face that it has become, it has only shown how little the community considers the true importance of this creature and the biz side deserves no support whatsoever.