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I think this is pretty reasonable. And if we're looking at phenomena from multiple sources which we've incorrectly attributed to a single source, then it is likely that a single source with the necessary characteristics to produce all of the details does not exist. In other words, we're looking for something that does not exist while more or less ignoring two or more things that do exist. Sometimes it is just as important NOT to connect the dots because they don't really belong together. MIB

The observations you've made aren't confined to bigfoot investigation. It's human nature, and it's common in most other activities conducted by enthusiasts of most any field.

After having listened to hundreds of accounts on Sasquatch Chronicles and Sasquatch Odyssey podcasts, dozens of which include some very compelling reports that involve instances of supernatural or alien activity and behavior, I find it hard to believe that we are dealing with a purely natural undiscovered species of mammal. I'll readily admit that I am a completely novice and amateur Sasquatch enthusiast and only became interested in the subject because of recent sightings in my area and my own couple of encounters. But listening to the likes of Cliff Barrackman, Jeff Meldrum, and other noted researchers, they all seem to agree that we are still at the 5-yard goal line 50 years after the groundbreaking Patterson-Gimlin film. We don't know much more than what we did back then. However, the magic of the internet has made the collection and recording of sightings and encounters much more easy and common. And along with the vast increase of data on reports, there is also a large increase in the number of reports that include "woo-woo" aspects. Now, I know that Cliff Barrackman flat out rejects any notion that there is ANY "woo-woo" aspect to Bigfoot and that those instances are the result of human error in observation or some other rational explanation. I find that incredibly hypocritical that someone who absolutely believes in Bigfoot, routinely rejects eye-witness accounts that involve supernatural behavior while he himself asks the doubting public to believe his eye-witness accounts. I think what made me think that there is something to the supernatural aspect is an account on one of the podcasts in which the witness was driving along at night and talking to his girlfriend on the cellphone when a sasquatch ran into the road with a racoon in it's mouth. He didn't have time to react and hit the sasquatch at 60 mph. He felt the impact and his girlfriend heard the impact over the phone. The man said he saw a weird flash of light at the time of impact. He pulled over to inspect his vehicle and see what he had hit. No damage to his vehicle. No dead or injured sasquatch. But one side of his car was covered in blood. It was like the creature was teleported at the instant time of impact. Then the host said that he had heard multiple other reports of the same thing happening to other people. Either when shooting at one, or almost hitting one with a vehicle. Weird flash of light and the creature disappears. And that's just one strange phenomenon associated with multiple reports. Then there are the dozens of UFO sightings associated with sasquatch sightings, orbs, mind speak, infrasound, etc, etc. All of those very credible accounts have me believing that we are never going to capture a sasquatch. We might kill one, but the body will never be collected. I used to want to interact with one, as it was a mammal that was native to the woods, and it was fascinating. Now, I don't know what the hell they are, but they surely aren't merely an undiscovered primate or human-hybrid, or else we would have a body by now. So, per the title of the thread, how have the "woo-woo" accounts and sightings affected your opinion of what sasquatch is? Or have you decided to discount them like Barrackman and Meldrum?

Also I’d like to say thank you for this topic @PNWexplorer. This has invited some great discussion about a topic that I think is pretty divisive in the community around Bigfoot. I’d love to put my two cents in on it. I personally am in the flesh and blood camp. From what I’ve heard from the Woo side seems to be an eagerness to explain any seemingly “unexplainable” aspect with supernatural or paranormal explanations. I’ve heard things like Sasquatch can drain camera batteries. Which to me sounds like someone forgot to charge them and doesn’t want to look like a fool. I’ve heard about portals and orbs and UAP’s dropping them off. I heard a researcher say when they take out believers on their expeditions that every bump in the night, every snapped twig and every shadow is a Bigfoot. I think when there is a willingness or a want to see the Woo, you attribute things to it or misidentify them. Now people outside the community may say that’s the pot calling the kettle black. But I feel like the Occam’s razor approach of reducing assumptions will benefit us in the long run of research. But this all isn’t to say that anyone is wrong, should be second guessed and not trusted. And if the Woo is true then I think we’d have an even more fantastic and interesting discovery than a relict hominoid living around the world

This also brings up another interesting question, norseman. You have said for years that Scientific classification of Sasquatch will require a type (or, Male and Female) Specimen(s). Doesn’t the recent classification of Manis Mysteria contradict that requirement? https://phys.org/news/2023-09-scientists-uncover-scaly-pangolin-species.amp

The sightings and encounters can be very interesting but after 10 episodes or so they all tend to mesh into the same thing. it also doesnt help that half of the people on the show are mush mouths and can't annunciate and communicate well.

Well, this thread has been an interesting 18 pages to read tonight... In my opinion ( like butt holes and arm pits, we all got em) we're dealing with multiple phenomena occuring in the same location. In the forest and away from humanity, until there's a witness that observes subject A or B and sometimes A & B simultaneously. I view Sasquatch as f&b based off my own sighting and findings as well as the extensive database of trace evidence. I think that people are possibly seeing why they interprete as Sasquatch with many of these woo reports. If you read the reports and draw out the creature they saw holding an orb, boarding a craft, teleport/cloaking they don't match up with traditional reports. Mass is different, hair coverage is different, appendage length is different, and then you have the bizarre abilities. We've detected heightened levels of radiation, areas of organic matter that suffered radiation burns etc in some of these areas we've gathered reports from that contained more fantastic details. Are these anomalies related as many in the community believe or is it a case of multiple phenomena taking place where we spend the least amount of time? Like I said starting out , I'm camp F&B, but I can't reject data that's been collected and peer reviewed by literal professionals in their fields. Just adds another layer of the puzzle but it also means we can multi-task in the field when we're getting skunked. Just shift gears and look up with the therm lol. (Que the x files theme)

I compare Sasquatch to Ninja. Ninjas were supposedly magical, they could disappear into thin air, walk on water, stop sword blows, and climb sheer castle walls. They did all of these things, but they just were not magical. Just a lot of practice, planning and execution. The Viet Cong had a somewhat similar reputation. Another that comes to mind are the Apache. Masters of desert warfare. Modern snipers and ghillie suits. And many many other historical examples. I have read reports of Sasquatch standing up after a hunter had glassed an area for hours, thinking the creature was a stump. I’ve read reports of Sasquatch walking on logs or in cricks to throw off trackers. Maybe like the Ninja or the Viet Cong they are primarily subterranean. We still discover new caves all the time. I mean for all I know Sasquatch could be getting beamed up and down to Earth by a UFO.🤷‍♂️ BUT as MIB said, humans typically fill in blanks in knowledge with mysticism. There could be a lot of behavior that is conducive to their survival that we just don’t understand. I don’t even think our ancestors understood it fully. As most cultures ascribe a sort of boogeyman status to it. They wear a brown ghillie suit 24/7. Roll in some mud and some leaves? You’re gonna hide in plain sight. Be mindful of your tracks, don’t use fire or tools, move often and travel light upon the land. And don’t go where humans congregate. This is how I would attempt to allude humans hunting me. And if Sasquatch is not flesh and blood? It’s some sort of ghost? There is nothing I can do about that. At that point we might as well be a cat chasing a laser pointer. I personally am just not ready to accept that. The tracks I saw were real, my father saw them, something in this material world made them. But with aliens and alien craft now apart of the congressional record now? Nothing would really surprise me anymore!

This is not to say though that I do not believe in anything "paranormal" or "supernatural". I just don't ascribe it to Sasquatch.

Firstly, I don't believe that homo sapien is a "purely natural" creature. Religiously, we are widely accepted as spiritual as well, and that includes such gifts as prophesy, clairvoyance, mystical visions, etc. These gifts are not universal among our species, but those who exhibit such gifts commonly state that we all possess them and could use them if we understood and practiced them. Personally, I don't believe that sasquatches or other more primitive species of homo regularly practice such gifts, either. Only a fraction of homo sapiens do, and our species as a whole, despite our supposed knowledge, often even denies such activities. However, I'm quite certain that sasquatches possess and regularly practice the ancient wilderness knowledge, skills, and activities that our species perfected thousands of years ago and have, overwhelmingly, abandoned in favor of technology and fantasy.We have so abandoned the old way that when sasquatches (and other animals) use them, we are so amazed that we consider them supernatural.