I voted "yes" on the poll.
I can't speak to the others, but as for "where" I am as relates to this discussion....frankly, I got bored. Now don't take offense, but here we are at 13 pages and that's a bit much considering it appears to me the discussion has degenerated into ...what? Three or so members going back and forth, repeating themselves if not word for word by in general gist of their positions, and not saying anything that should be said like, "This is tedious so we should agree to disagree." Especially when you get into the territory of taking carefully worded pot shots at each other.
Criminy, if we were at the local tavern, I'd tell you both to change the subject because you're getting nowhere with each other and order another round so we could discuss something less prickly like politics.