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That is an huge revelation to me as well. They were all, surely, tough as nails to begin with.. just as surely as the trip to the mine and cabin were hard work, the work in the mine was even harder work. The walk to the water was tough and at night? Tough as nails or not, forget it. Whatever happened there, they weren't going anywhere in the dark either way.

Ironically, the story didn't bother me 'til I watched the vid of the "expedition" to the site. With just how crazy steep that is, the whole thing takes on a whole new level of disturbing. Unless there was some other way off the mountain, downhill rather than from above, they were truly sitting ducks. It would take hours at best, in heavy brush, heavy cover, to climb out, requiring hands, not just feet, so no gun in hand, no hasty response possible, with potential ambush at every step. No joke a bad bad situation.

A local Southern Oregon fellow who is engaged to my daughter told me about his Bigfoot experience in the mountains 40 miles from my home location. He's now 50 years old, and is still horrified from what happened to him that involved bigfoot 17 years ago. He said that he and his friend had gone up in mountains to explore, and they parked their car about 25 miles from nearest town and began to take a well made trail that went down through this forested area. They walked a trail that went down a canyon through the tall Douglas Fir trees, and they saw a 6' diameter cave in the brush that went into the hillside Hillsides in this area is covered with brush, 100 foot tall Douglas Fir trees, and whispy trees that are 15 feet or more tall. The soil is a light brown color with some sandstone and solid rock in some areas. Anyway, Ray told me that this hike turned into a nightmare when he was exploring this forested hillside that had a cavern going back into the hillside. They noticed some movement in the tall timber trees around 100 feet away. He said it looked like a hairy bear that was hiding behind a tree. They both became upset and apprehensive when they saw this large creature sneaking along behind them and walking on two legs. Ray told his friend that they had better continue on their hike down hill and they both kept looiking back on the trail as they hiked. They would get glimpses of the bigfoot following them, and they continued to walk down the hill along the rocky trail with few options since they weren't armed. He said they we're constantly looking back and this Bigfoot creature was following them at a distance of 2 to 3 football fields. They continued up the hill in quite a panic that still affects him to this day. Anyway he said that he and his friend finally got to their pickup and public forest road that is maintained by Coos County. The roads are for transportation across the mountains that that connect Oregon forest land to towns that seem to be twenty to sixty miles apart. Ayway, they hurried up when they got to the public gravel road and both men were mentally and physically exhusted. This happened to Ray about 17 years ago when he was in high school. A few years ago I asked if he wanted to drive up into that area and show me where the trail and canyon were located. He acted moderately interested but hasn't brought it up again. I suspect some fear that is understandable. The roads up there cross different canyons so it's not quite as easy as one would think to find the correct canyon . Anyway, Ray did not seem very excited at all about returning to that area. This was puzzling to me at first. I now believe that he has serious reoccurring fears that date back to this incident when Bigfoot followed he and his friend down the canyon trail and up again. They were hiking for a hour and a half with Bigfoot following them that was traumatic without weapons. This would be very awful since they did get glimpses of the Bigfoot and this topic is not a game for him. He might have psychological damage from this incident I have been on the roads that are close to this area and I had a bad experience also. I was about five miles from this location several years ago. My wife and I were looking at rural homes near this area before the road goes up in the hills. One evening, I went went along a creek that was in the vicinity. I hung some apples in the trees about 7 or 8 feet in the air not too far from the vacant home. The sun went down seemingly quick so we headed back to the car. I noticed something large moving away from our car that flashed out of sight. It spooked me enough that only to remove my desire to return. I read another bigfoot report that took place in the vicinity. If a small group of proven seasoned experiencers want to explore this area then I can provide maps, information, and forum reports. There is a primitive campground nearby. This adventure is for the skookum and seasoned researchers. Skookum is a native American word for 'woods wise' that originated in parts of Oregon

Sure. 1) While it's partially out now, I wouldn't use a witnesses real name in an open forum like this. 2) Was there a typo? You say "Joe Dokes" is 50 yo now, but this incident occurred 17 years ago when he was in high school. 3) Given that this appears to have appeared in a remote area, can you and the witness put the start point and approximate cave location on a map program and screen shot it? 4) Would "Joe Dokes" be willing to put you (as an investigator) in contact with witness #2 (John or Jane Doe) so you can get a second version of the incident? 5) For the purpose of someone putting it into the SSR or another database, facts are paramount. We have the who and what. When - to the extent possible, date and time, which would give seasonal information. Where - even a 4-digit grid would allow researchers to see if it relates to other encounters and look at environmental factors (altitude, slope face, etc.) Why - what facts might allow inferences about why the Bigfoot acted that way? What did the witness(es) observe about the cave? I'm sure that others will have questions as well.

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