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Talked to a business associate today who owns an in-holding in Big Cypress swamp, Collier Cty. FL. He had heard I had an interest on this subject. A very bright and accomplished gentleman, I must say. Professional and credible in every regard, former prosecutor and judge. He wanted to see what I might share with him, and I gave him some references to evidence sources, talking points on common objections to the evidence, etc. He shared with me an account of a sighting from an old-timer he knows in that neighborhood. Without any equivocation, this man's perception was presumed by him to be accurate. One thing he shared with me that I thought was especially insightful, and it is a deeper understanding of the world that many of our so-called skeptics don't seem to consider, and which I agree with wholeheartedly. He mentioned that the everyday man's ability to comprehend the reality of a completely feral animal like a putative Sasquatch is a chasm that might be impossible to bridge. I think this puts the emphasis where it needs to be. We can try, but the overlap of these two worlds is remarkably thin.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Spotted_Owl In 1990, the logging industry estimated up to 30,000 of 168,000 jobs would be lost because of the owl's status, which agreed closely with a Forest Service estimate.[8] Harvests of timber in the Pacific Northwest were reduced by 80%, decreasing the supply of lumber and increasing prices.[3] However, jobs were already declining because of dwindling old-growth forest harvests and automation of the lumber industry.[8] One study at the University of Wisconsin–Madison by environmental scientists argued that logging jobs had been in a long decline and that environmental protection was not a significant factor in job loss.[9] From 1947 to 1964, the number of logging jobs declined 90%. Starting with the Wilderness Act of 1964, environmental protection saved 51,000 jobs in the Pacific Northwest.[10] The controversy pitted individual loggers and small sawmill owners against environmentalists. Bumper stickers reading Kill a Spotted Owl—Save a Logger and I Like Spotted Owls—Fried appeared to support the loggers.[8] Plastic spotted owls were hung in effigy in Oregon sawmills.[11] The logging industry, in response to continued bad publicity, started the Sustainable Forestry Initiative.[12] While timber interests and conservatives have cited the northern spotted owl as an example of excessive or misguided environmental protection, many environmentalists view the owl as an "indicator species," or "canary in a coal mine" whose preservation has created protection for an entire threatened ecosystem.[13] Protection of the owl, under both the Endangered Species Act and the National Forest Management Act, has led to significant changes in forest practices in the northwest. President Clinton's controversial Northwest Forest Plan of 1994 was designed primarily to protect owls and other species dependent on old-growth forests while ensuring a certain amount of timber harvest. Although the result was much less logging, industry automation and the new law meant the loss of thousands of jobs.[4] However, new jobs were created for biologists conducting surveys for spotted owls and other rare organisms that occur in their range.[citation needed] The debate has cooled somewhat over the years, with little response from environmentalists as the owl's population continues to decline by 7.3 percent per year.[14] In 2004 the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service reaffirmed that the owl remained threatened, but indicated that the recognized causes of endangerment had changed, mostly as a result of invasion by barred owls into the range and habitat of the spotted owl. In 2007, the USFWS proposed a new recovery plan intended to guide all management actions on lands where spotted owls occur, and to aid in recovery of the species. Early proposals were criticized by environmental groups as significantly weakening existing protections for the species. The Obama administration reversed proposals that would have increased logging on Bureau of Land Management administered lands. Recent discussion has been focused on two novel approaches. One of these would emphasize wildfire management as key to owl persistence on the east side of the Cascades, and in the Klamath province. Another proposal, on control of barred owl populations through culling, has been criticized by some animal rights and other activists.[15] Federal biologists were considering in 2010 whether to kill barred owls to see if that would help the spotted owls.[16]

I'll say what I've said before. Nothing happened. Nobody was killed. There was no cover up by any nefarious gov't agency because there was nothing to cover up other than Bob Garrett covering his lies. Every single item you've claimed as FACT has nothing but Bob Garrett's word, or what amounts others regurgitating Bob's word, to back it up and that word has been self-contradictory at times. It is much fuss about nothing more serious than another hoaxer being outed. It appears to me that you have some sort of personal investment in Bob Garrett's credibility. Who knows, maybe you are Bob Garrett. In any event, you're "doubling-down" gambling your credibility on his. You've made a very very bad bet. MIB

You could take a specimen if the DNA would show an undocumented ape is present. If the DNA is as human as was found in the Snelgrove Lake samples, the body will be illegal to possess. This is why you still need the DNA and to know before you take one.

Well... I've seen a rabbit doing things to vacuum cleaner. What's the point you are trying to make?