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I'm still not sure where the dead body in the tree came from? Garret never mentioned seeing it and nobody on SC mentioned it either. I would assume that Bob Garret would have seen it, documented it and would have brought it to the attention of the SC listening audience. I've looked at the video, frozen the frames of the tree, have magnified them and I see nothing that could be a dead body.

In our research we did look at the possible predators of elk in the PNW. Yes I have found deer killed by coyotes. The damage done by them is usually in hind leg and lower throat areas. Cougars are the most likely suspects of the known predators that do prey on elk. They usually attack the neck area. Be it at the back of the neck or the throat area. A bear may inflict this type of damage though black bears are more opportunistic and would go for the fawns and calves, plus that fits their foraging styles. These were mature cow elk in the two to five year old range. There are no confirmed wolf packs or grizzlies in this area. Though in our research we did not rule them out as possibilities. This brings us back to the evidence presented in our research which we can't ignore, regardless of the method of killing the animals. That is the disarticulation while feeding, the tooth impressions in the bones, and the stacking behavior. One thing I see that people are not realizing here is that the type of predator that fed on a kill can be and has been researched and is currently being used to identify the predators responsible or the scavengers after the fact. Using this forensic research we found that we have something not previously identified going on here. It is the bones, and the story they tell that is important here. The method of killing is just speculation.

The only thing I know is I don't know. I entertain, at some level, pretty much every notion put forth. I don't prefer one over any other to any great degree, I'm waiting to see where the next data point takes me. I discovered that out there alone in pitch black in a bivy sack with something 9 feet or so tall standing about 4 feet away and messin' with the outside of the bivy, it's biological roots were a lot less of a concern than what it was going to do next and how I might influence that in survivable directions. Your priorities might vary, of course. MIB

YES, personal seeing is PERSONAL believing. Many of us that have seen them and I have now seen several, it doesn't even matter what others think, it is what it is. But, as long as people are respectful of those of us that KNOW for ourselves, it is all good. KB

Juries have been known to give people the death penalty, only to have them later proven to be innocent.....

In my assessment, as I've said already, the torn up campsite is a hoax and the claims of government coverup is a lie. No death, no bodies. That being the case, who benefits is the whole bigfoot community minus the hoaxers. We have "policed" our own identifying frauds and hoaxers in our midst for what they are. It may be uncomfortable for people who invested their egos in this torn up campsite and Sasquatch Chronicles being legit ... "too bad." I would say that to myself as well, no double standards. The sooner you find out you were wrong about something and can set about realigning yourself, regardless of discomfort, the better. I don't think this should affect anyone who has a legitimate story to tell. You seem kind of new to the BF community. Nobody gets a pass, never have. Nobody gets their story or evidence accepted without someone somewhere scrutinizing it. Look at the PGF, look at the Bossburg tracks, look at habituation in general ... you name it. ANYONE coming forward with a story should have already expected to be interrogated and worse. I can't speak for anyone else. This doesn't change anything for me. All it does is emphasize the need to have your ducks in a row before saying anything to ANYONE. MIB

The main reason I posted here as I said in the OP was to make this information available to others who spend time in the field. In hopes that it might answer at least one of the questions I see quite often when bones are found in the field... What did this? It is also important forensic information and hopefully some of the people who work with forensic science will take notice. This is important because with this evidence and if others find more it will build a strong case that there is something unknown to science that is producing the evidence being collected. I know things related to the subject can be and have been ignored. But I hope with enough of this type of evidence that other scientists would realize the importance of this and admit this needs to be investigated more deeply. We have also discovered in our research that the bone modifications we see here are very similar to that done by neanderthal, some primitive African tribes, and at least up until very recently some of the Eskimo people. We have been in contact with a scientist whose research is in this field of bone modification and plan on having him take a look at our research. As I also said previously, our goal is to get our research published. Already, one pattern is emerging. Which is that they seem to be using the ridges between Mt St Helens and Mt Adams as travel corridors.

Great thread Gumshoeye. I've experienced tachypsychia twice, both times while driving. In the first instance, a flatbed truck with dualies turned on to the highway ahead of my wife and me as we were accelerating back to speed after passing through Townsend, Montana. There was a fist sized rock wedged between the two right tires that launched at our windshield about the time we hit 40 MPH. It still plays out like a slow motion video in my head with the rock headed for the windshield of the Subaru right in front of my wife. I executed a 180 to the left with the wheel putting me instantly into the oncoming lane which was fortunately empty, then repeated the maneuver to the right as the danger passed to regain my proper lane. The second time I was returning to Helena from Great Falls in the same car. As I topped the North Hill on I-15 to drop into the Helena Valley the highway turned suddenly white ahead of me. There had been a freak ice storm and six vehicles were stopped in the right hand lane and right shoulder immediately ahead. I popped it into 4 wheel drive and changed lanes but the car began to oscillate left and right. Again, it was all slow motion and I could tell that the next swing right would put me under the back of a 3/4 ton 4wd pickup/camper so I let it go into the median on the left hand swing. I was broadside to direction of travel and nearly stopped when the right side tires dug into some soft soil and the car flipped to its top in a heartbeat. Time returned to normal speed and I cranked open the driver's side window, braced myself against the ceiling, released my safety belt then eased down and crawled out the window none the worse for wear. This was '88 and pre-cell phone, but one of the gentlemen drove me to a valley market where I phoned in the accident report, then drove me home another few miles. The investigating MHP trooper called me at home a few hours later and I began to walk him through the situation. He stopped me and asked if there were other vehicles in the road ahead when I topped the hill (everyone had pulled away after my adventure to avoid a repeat). When I said there were he replied he figured that I must have been avoiding something as it was darn rare to see 4wd Subaru's upside down in the median. He then asked if alcohol was involved and I said "No sir, but there's a cold Ranier Ale waiting in the refrigerator as soon as we're done talking." He allowed as how he wouldn't mind joining me but had a long night ahead as I had been far from the only victim of the storm. It is a very strange sensation to experience but can also be the difference between life and death if you're prepared to utilize the edge it provides when everything drops in the pot.