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So Crow starts this thread supposedly to discuss habbers failures to help science then concludes there is nothing there to discuss and it is all vaporous just like the existence of BF. Of course several proponents take the bait and begin arguing over woo issues as we tend to do. Crow keeps stirring the pot hoping to promote more dissent. The pot does not need a lot of stirring when proponents discuss woo. Meanwhile back at the ranch few of us even know habbers or know what we are talking about when we discuss them. But Crow again succeeds in spreading discord in the forum.

Never said that- YOU did. I've used the word IF when it comes to existence though I am a proponent; but then so have you. Sooooo- strawman argument. You do that a lot.

Then if you get cancer? Skip chemotherapy or radiation and go here. http://khakani.com/mystical_metaphysical_healing.htm Pick up some magical gems, incense candles and a chant book or two. I think we have our answer to our OP title! Habituators will not help because they cannot help.....themselves that is. Let alone anyone else around them. When you yourself are not grounded in reality? Then everything around you looks like a Buck Rogers movie, which means anything goes. Its great to have a good imagination....until it smashes into and intertwines with reality. Then you have a big problem.

A Bigfoot Forum where proponents argue to KEEP the woo. How sad.

DWA hits another one out of the park. Nice. Correct, nothing gets ruled out 'til the evidence says it can be. Anyone who thinks we've reached that point is hindering progress. The scientific establishment hasn't done anything to move this forward either. Instead of kissing their butts, let them kiss ours. If they'd been doing science instead of protecting their precious reputations we wouldn't have to be doing their work for them. Wait .. I see another DWA post ... yes, today's paranormal should be tomorrow's normal if they're investigating things, doing their jobs, moving the frontiers of science forward. MIB

What a sad and pathetic philosophy to live by: To declare verboten speech and ideas that may offend someone's delicate sensibilities or cause scientists to scoff! Advocating such a thing makes it clear that you are primarily interested in legitimizing the phenomenon and gaining the good graces of the establishment.Some people are completely comfortable (at least) considering ideas that seem outre, without the need to have those speculations validated or accepted by some authorative third party.