Guest Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 I think the general public would be surprised to know the stuff government agencies don't do. It's true some of what they don't do is because they don't want it on the record but other things aren't done because a. its not a priority in the eyes of the agency and/or b. the agency does not have the resources to perform those tasks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 While looking for info on that film mentioned in the Bigfoot-DeClassified book , ran into this 95 minute podcast with author M.P. Raymond. No mention of the film unfortunately, but you get where he's coming from, i.e. the Conspiracy Theory. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sasquatchwatchradio/2009/04/14/sasquatch-watch-radio-guest-mp-raymond-author-of-bigfoot-declassified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted December 26, 2012 Author Share Posted December 26, 2012 Thanks Squatchaholic! I found my answers in that podcast, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 (edited) If a film went "viral" on the web, you would think it would still be out there somewhere. also some one on this forum would have seen it during its viral phase Edited December 26, 2012 by Nakani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted December 26, 2012 Author Share Posted December 26, 2012 You are 100% correct Nakani. That's why I was wondering why I wasn't finding it. But thanks to the link to the podcast supplied by Squatchaholic, I heard the author himself say it was a fictitious character to build a case of "what if...?" And that there was no footage as described....sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) I am trying to understand what does this BF conspiracy theory claims. Usually a conspiracy theory involves a group of people that want to keep a secret hidden from others. What secret is the US Government (FBI, National Park Service, or Dept. of the Interior?) trying to keep hidden? That people who go to National Forests and Parks seen BF? That BF is a real creature? That the US Government has a body? That BF is killing people in our NF and NP? That BF is related to humans? If employees of NF or NP are not reporting BF sightings from visitors up the chain of command, then it could simply be because of the giggle factor or the silliness of reporting sightings of mythological creatures that have not been scientifically proven. There is not need to invoke a conspiracy theory. Even if the NF or NP employees have their own BF sighting, I don't see any career benefit for them in reporting it or pushing for scientific research until the scientific community blesses it as a respectable endeavor. It is very similar to US airline pilots not reporting UFO sightings to their companies or FAA. For fear of career limitations, demotions, or stigma. I don't think there is a conspiracy behind keeping UFO reports coming out from pilots either. Stigma, giggle factor, and career preservation are good enough reasons to keep pilots from going public - despite the fact that many have seen UFOs. If a new species of coyote or wolf was being reported, would it result in the same reaction from agencies? The answer I suspect, is no. Then WHY is it that BF warrants such...........weirdness? Why can't agencies publicly simply say, "Yeah we know there are squatch living in our forests and even right outside many cities". Why would they even allow the "giggle" atmosphere to exist? There would be a reason for it. At the same time, going with what you propose that people won't report their sightings because there's no scientific documentation and no risk of career progression I submit this: That would be fine if we were talking about a new species of small dog, spider, something not the size and risk of a BF. For the simple reason of the size of BF, the reportings should be broadcast! Thats right. Bigfoot might just make us question our entire evolution and our history on this planet. I truly believe that our past might be a lot different then what we are tought. With this in mind, the powers that be have a strong motive to keep BF secret. If they disclose what they know, it would be like opening pandoras box. This is what I lean toward. There's something about BF which can't be controlled by our society, thus making them a threat to our society, in a small way. The government are aware that many of the BF are as intelligent as people, but live a wild life. Now that is my biological, scientific theory. My other theory makes me shudder and has to do with ideas best suited for the tar pit. Edited December 28, 2012 by AaronD to remove religious notions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Posts 85 and 86 in this thread are about the Si-Teh-Cah skeletons also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 What I think, in a nutshell: If this animal is real it's hard to believe that neither the Government nor a substantial number of land managers in its employ know it. That said: it's not the Government's job to confirm species, and there is no overarching national interest dictating that they do it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ksu4 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 That's a very fair statement, DWA. As has been stated ad nauseum, even if "The Government" does know something, there may be no good reason to come onto an Internet foru to confirm it publicly (and possibly several good reasons not to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) Too many people think government is obligated to tell all. I work in government, and no we don't think that. The Jack Nicholson Reason is why; and believe me we know. You all out there CAN'T handle the truth; and we see that numerous times per hour. It is most def all over these Forums. I'd invite anyone who doesn't get this to actually think about it a bit. Just how would they "tell" us; and what do you think the reaction would be? Trust me. NO reason exists to do it. So government won't. This is up to a scientific community that is unjustifiably sitting on its hands. Edited June 21, 2014 by DWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 ^^ Yeah but, why is it every time we get "this close" to proof, something always happens and the ball gets dropped. I'm thinking the Ketchum study was fumbled on purpose, for instance. The gov't not feeling the need to inform the citizens is one thing, but it seems there is a force out there actively forbidding anything to be discovered and confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Ketchum has proven to be a joke. She has embarrassed herself, and no one else. Except for those gullible ones that put faith in her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 She did this on purpose? How? I'm open to correction, and I admit I haven't followed the respective thread very closely, but wasn't it the chain of custodianship of the samples that ultimately doomed the study? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelefoot Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Not really, Aaron. It was a combination of many things, mostly the scandal with the journal, the lack of data, the unbelievable stories she told on social media, the follow up work done by others.....and more stuff I am sure I am leaving out... that lead to the failure of the study. Ketchum brought it all upon herself, IMO. But that's another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Ahh, so that's another possibility I suppose. Just remembering what Kulls and Meldrum said about the sample(s) from Smeja during the Cabelas weekend event....that it wasn't well documented from the time collected until Ketchum got to examine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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