Stick Structures?

[Guest]

It is quite possible that bigfoot do have messages encoded in patterns of their structures--and I bet we don't usually even notice them. Bigfoot are likely more familiar with the natural patterns around them than we are. Foresty stuff. I think they use that to communicate....they alter the natural pattern, other bf notice, we don't. I don't think it has to be complex for us not to get it.

Edited October 26, 2012 by Kings Canyon

[Guest WesT]

You're brave. What was your friend's experience? And why won't s/he go with you?

There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity so I'll have to be extra carefull when checking out the barrier. Besides I won't do it alone, I'll have help.

My friend was daytime hunting and had a run in with a large black one. It chased him out of the woods. He won't go back into the woods to hunt anymore, he's to terrified.

It's been brought to my attention in the past, by skeptics, that if such a creature existed there would be evidence of it's existence in the form of environmental impact. So that's where I've been concentrating my efforts. From my observation, not all, but some structures are indeed evidence of environmental impact.

[Guest toejam]

toejam, that first pic rings a bell with me! What I'd give to be there and study that and compare notes.

When it comes to being savvy in the forest we humans are slow witted and dumb as a sack of hammers. Most folks don't know what to look for when looking for signs of big daddy, much less know what it is they are looking at when they see it. I recently followed what I believe are the signs in an area of activity and they led me to what I call "the barrier". The barrier was very thick with undergrowth and fallen trees and seemingly inpenetrable. I just stood there and thought "what the hell, it's a dead end". So I did my signal to see if anything was around and got a response. Still I just stood there, like the slow witted in the forest human I am, wondering which way to go next. It took my brain about 2 days to figure out that I may not have hit a dead end afterall and that I may of found a natural structure the creature uses for shelter. It makes sense now. If I were a wild creature of that size, the barrier would make be a perfect place to seek shelter. We plan on going back out there after hunting season is over to explore it. I'm attempting to get proof of the creature for a friend whom wants vindication. A tall order I know, but I promised him I would try.

Got that right Wes T.

As far as vindication for your friend, it could be as simple as dropping a recorder in there and capturing a great vocal. Never know, maybe you'll catch a couple of them talking to each other or some other vocalization that has no other conclusion. Good luck!

[Guest mdhunter]

I don't see any real reason why BF wouldn't make some kind of marker out of sticks/branches or whatever. I don't discount the theory. I don't discount the twisting theory either. It's really not that far fetched when compared to markers left by other animals.

Deer have several. Rub lines and scrapes being the most obvious. Licking branches are a bit less obvious and are usually in conjunction with scrapes. But I have witnessed them(licking branches) being used by several individuals of both sexes all year. The big sign post rubs are used by does as well as bucks. Communication of some form is done through scent from preorbital glands in the forehead. Bears claw trees. Cats scratch trees. Why wouldn't BF use some visual marker? Especially if their olfactory senses aren't aren't as acute as deer, bears,cats, etc.

All that said, I'm skeptical of most of stick structures I see. Also the twists. When I see several twists in a small localized area the first thing I do is try to line them up with a good tree to put a treestand in. You would be surprised how accurately you can reproduce a twist trying to clear a shooting lane without a saw. I then start checking trees for telltale marks of screw in tree steps or climber marks in/on the bark. With the regulations on public land, the marks from climbing treestands can be fairly difficult to spot. On private land trespassing is real. On this open forum I've watched several people state they were on property they didn't have permission to be on looking for BF. It makes me wonder how many class B reports have been generated by trespassing researchers.It also makes me wonder how many tree twists and stick structures are created by trespassing poachers. I would suggest knowing the state game laws on the use of ground blinds. Some states don't allow the use of ground blinds for turkey hunting. That doesn't stop some people that don't know how to use natural features to their advantage from using stick blinds.

[Guest toejam]

This was just found yesterday. This barrier was not there previously and I believe it's the route they take to approach the gazebo, the dark side.

[Sunflower]

One friend had a stack of 2 x 4's in her yard. She had planned some work on her home and porch I believe. One step was completely collapsed from being stepped on and she knew who did it. The family ended up getting a much larger piece of lumber to make that repair.

However, weather and time constraints did not permit this repair work to get completed as she had planned. Well, every other morning she would look outside and notice that the lumber kept getting moved around. She took lots of pics of the lumber being rearranged and even caught audio of them messing with metal ladder one night. So, I think it is instinctual somehow for the hairy people to do this on a continuous basis.

Another friend south of her would go to the mailbox every day and notice that the vines and shrubs were being changed around also and this was happening nearly daily as well. The spot where I leave gifts has had huge changes since I first started and I'm convinced that it's a practice that is taught to the little ones for them to be able to use whatever they find in the area. There is an enormous rock outcropping at my spot and the trees have been pushed over and vines dragged in, it is like a fortress and quite amazing.

When my brother got his face to face look at one many years ago, he said that when the light shined in his/her face it immediately turned and started breaking branches and busting trees as it ran from my brothers and sounded like a truck going through the woods. The territorial stance makes a lot of sense to me also. They are the truly the "boss of the woods." IMO

[Guest toejam]

Great post Sunflower.

When we got there yesterday there were a couple of changes to be found as well.

Upon arrival I checked up top at my gifting area.

I'd put a pair of plastic maracas on a stump with a few other things. I stood them up in a crevice on each side.

There was one on each side of the stump facing out to show one colour. They were lined up and I'd noticed one seemed slightly turned.

My camera was at the bottom of the incline so I took a pic with my phone.

When I went back down and checked my camera for the old shot, I noticed one maraca was now sitting upside down!

A piece of driftwood was found on the stair/wall behind the gazebo, about a 4ft. length that wasn't there.

No way to get there by itself. That with the 2 limb barrier to the side of the gazebo were all great finds.

You really do need to take pics to see the sometimes subtle changes. Something as simple as turning something upside down.

I only noticed the turn on the item, enough to compare it and see the significant difference.

If you learn what to watch for, it becomes apparent.

[Guest JenJen of Oldstones]

mdhunter - Can you provide some pics of the tree twists made by setting up tree stands for hunting? They would be a useful tool for comparison and evaluating tree twists thought to be the work of Bigfoot.

[Guest peter]

You would be surprised how accurately you can reproduce a twist trying to clear a shooting lane without a saw. On private land trespassing is real. On this open forum I've watched several people state they were on property they didn't have permission to be on looking for BF. It makes me wonder how many class B reports have been generated by trespassing researchers.It also makes me wonder how many tree twists and stick structures are created by trespassing poachers.

Yep this has all the makings of a hoaxers dream, if normal human activity or the natural functions of a forest can be misconstrued as BF sign what happens when it's done on purpose? and IF these formations are indeed information what would the hoaxing do to BF its self.

Edited October 26, 2012 by peter

[Guest mdhunter]

mdhunter - Can you provide some pics of the tree twists made by setting up tree stands for hunting? They would be a useful tool for comparison and evaluating tree twists thought to be the work of Bigfoot.

I can see if I can find some old ones on my property.Probably wouldn't have time until next week. If I get a chance I'll try to make a few in the next few days so I don't stink up my property right before the rut. I used to do this quite often to avoid cutting trees and having to remove tops. Less walking around and spreading human odor in the hunting area. The deer seem to be less alarmed by a bent over tree than a removed tree top. Deer also have an interdigital gland that is used for olfactory communication. So alarming them leaves alarm scent on the ground for the nose that knows. The result is pretty much the same as several twist pictures I've seen. Like I say, I don't discount the twist theory at all. I've seen a few that made me scratch my head.

It would be more important, in my opinion, to learn to spot the marks of climbing treestands of several different designs. And how to spot a good ambush tree. That would be more beneficial in eliminating a hunter. Hunting from the ground gives no reason to bend over tree tops.

I deleted the process from my post after I thought about it and read Peter's post. Do not ask me for the process.

[Guest mdhunter]

I finished getting ready for the storm earlier than expected so...This a little over 2" hickory. I feel pretty confident that if I really needed/wanted to I could do a 2.5" or maybe even a 3". This is between 6.5' and 7' off the ground. I chose a hickory for this because they are one of the toughest. It's also getting removed in the spring.

I also walked to a late season treestand setup that I won't use until December and got a couple shots.

In the first pic the treestand is inside the yellow box. The white box is the cedar in the second pic. It was bent over a few years ago and the bend/break is about 9' off the ground and about 4" diameter. Done with no tools. The busted over holly was done with no tools. I took this shot because it would confuse almost anybody that walked in the area,even a hunter. Unless they spotted the other treestand about 100 yards away.These two trees were bent/broken for a two person set up to use binoculars/hand signals to avoid keying up radios when deer are too close. If the treestand wasn't there, with the other "tree work" in the area, I could see somebody scratching their head. Several of the modifications were done over time to adjust to the situation at the time.

[Guest peter]

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[Guest ChrisBFRPKY]

I think there's something to some stick structures. But, I think there's also alot of prequalifiers that must go with them too. Like the structure has to be very large and very remote for one. Anything near humans or logging areas is likely made by humans. I believe we have to go deep into the backwoods where humans are not actively living or logging or frequenting.

As for small structures, Sasquatch may make an "X" for a marker every now and then but in my view it's not likely that a random "X" is the work of an unidentified species, more than likely it's a natural occurrence like falling limbs that happen to cross etc.

On the old forum I wrote a lengthy explanation of my idea of what real genuine Bigfoot made stick structures are, and how or why the creatures may use them. My best guess is they use them to stay hidden during the day for whatever reason, hiding, hunting, sleeping, resting. I think this pic supports an example of my theory.

Chris B.

Edited for spelling

Edited October 28, 2012 by ChrisBFRPKY

[Guest JenJen of Oldstones]

Mdhunter - sorry so late to catch back up with this topic, but THANK YOU!! For the pictures. It's really amazing how much they look like purported BF tree twists. I had no idea that a human could create them too, or that a human would actually have a reason to create them!

Chris B - thank you for your thoughts on this, and suggesting some criteria for evaluating these structures. I know I will definitely take those things into consideration if I ever come across any tree twists. Any chance you could find your post that you referenced on the old forum and maybe put it out here for the discussion? If that's allowed here?

[Guest WesT]

This was just found yesterday. This barrier was not there previously and I believe it's the route they take to approach the gazebo, the dark side.

I'll take a wild guess and say it's the beginnings of a screen to hide behind like the one I stumbled across.

Research partner is to the right of the screen in this shot.

Then I told him to step behind it.

We stayed that evening until it started getting to dark to see. As we we're walking out we heard what I can only describe as a very loud monkey chatter type sound and it seemed to be coming from the area of the screen. When we returned a couple days later to show the property owner the screen, it was gone.