Why Cover Up Big Foot?

[bipedalist]

See new thread I posted up on human-ape research and episodic memory re: #4

Edited July 26, 2013 by bipedalist

[Sunflower]

Because BF is something that the government can't control, tax, or herd into reservations. Kinda like UFO/Aliens.

 

If they refuse to acknowledge them, they don't have to explain their powerlessness in dealing with them.

 

That is it in a nutshell.....

[Guest Urkelbot]

I think that the Government knows full well it would have extraordinary implications.

1) would it be declared a protected species?

2) How could you set up boundaries for them?

3) would people react in such a way as to begin "monster" hunting?

 

Let's take the first of these 3 suggestions only. Imagine if they were designated a protected species. The article below is JUST from the spotted owl protection and the implications of that. Can you imagine this with the BF?

http://www.happinessonline.org/MoralCode/SafeguardAndImproveYourEnvironment/p10.htm

 

4) How would this new "species" be recognized? Human, Ape? If human would it be protected under the same rights?

 

I think this would be a impossible task to take on by any government and they know it..

KB

1. Yes 

2. No if all accounts are to believed than bigfoot is everywhere in incredibly small population sizes as to be undetected in any wildlife survey.  I think if bigfoot was real it is in one section of north america and not everywhere.  Anyway people would probablly be more in favor of increasing wilderness boundaries.

3.  No considering how no one can hunt them now anyways, no bodies, it shouldn't change anything.  Besides the government would just have to add them to the list of protected species and they would  be illegal to hunt.

4.  Ape/animal  anyone who thinks they are human has too much imagination.  They could be related distantly to humans but they don't look like humans and by all believable accounts don't act like humans.

 

It would not be hard for the government to deal with this.  It really wouldn't even be that big of a deal if bigfoot is discovered or change the average americans lives at all.  It would be a big news story for the year but most people will forget and get over it when the kardashians or queen has another baby.

 

 

What portion of the government would be doing the cover up?  The forest service, congress, the president, a shadow government like the x-files?  What about Canada do they have a secret bigfoot task force also?

[MIB]

Plus, what nobody has said yet, is if they do know, and if some of the "woo" abilities are real, and we can't counter them technologically, then there would be national security issues. 

 

Is it true?  I don't know.   I'd prefer to think not, but until I am sure what is, I cannot be sure what is not.  I'm playing it safe by staying open to new data if/when it arrives.  Costs nothing, might save unpleasant surprises.

 

MIB

[Guest]

Parkie- If I replied to post #12 it would put to guys job in jepardy. The body part is in lock down and I can't get any more specific than to say a state employee told me.

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

Even if the government is trying to hide Bigfoot, there isn't any reason to believe they are if we don't really know for sure. I think people are mainly guessing that there is a coverup based on the belief that Bigfoot has to exist and the belief that the government has to know about them. This makes government coverup another excuse on the long list of excuses for the lack of evidence. In reality, nobody's stopping anyone from going out, obtaining a specimen and proving their existence to the world.

Edited July 27, 2013 by OntarioSquatch

[Guest]

Theories I've heard include protecting the logging industry and other outdoor industries, as well as preventing the public from panicking. 

[See-Te-Cah NC]

There are claims that Sasquatch has been known of by the government for quite some time. I'm including a translated/transcribed account from a Dr. H.A. Miller, who claims to have examined and performed autopsies on the creatures. According to Dr. Miller, the creatures are new-world primates and even have a scientific name.

 

I am in no way saying that the account is factual, as I do not know for certain. It is what it is. Read it and make up your own mind.

 

The Following was written by Dr. H.A. Miller

  (Now deceased)

Born in New England, December 12th, 1909… I was the first and only child of Christiana and Arthur Miller. My mother died in child birth and I was subsequently raised by my father until re-married to a French woman when I was 12 or 13 years of age. Soon after their marriage she bore a baby girl. I finished my high school education while living with my father, step-mother, and half-sister.

 

[There is an entire section here that I could not transcribe- Handwriting was illegible]

 

I remained in New England for my undergraduate work. I thoroughly enjoyed the outdoors, the ocean and forestry. My under-graduate studies focused on forestry and land management. While in my junior and senior year, I was employed by the Federal Government.

 

I worked at Lockwood Farm (part of The Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station). I learned about hybridization in agricultural and enjoyed the hard outdoor work in the corn fields. I began to find great interest in the scientific workings happening with corn seed at the time.

 

I completed an additional year in Forestry science and graduated in 1930 with an A.B. from Yale University and an M.F. in 1931 (M.F. is a Master of Science in Forestry).

 

I labored at Lockwood Farm for a few years and gained great interest in science and medicine; by this time and I did hope to attend Medical School and become a physician. I expeditiously applied for Medical School and was accepted to Harvard and began my medical training in 1938.

 

Graduating from Harvard medical school (Harvard) in the early 1940s and I completed residency and fellowship at Harvard and began a very specialized career at the time in Orthopedic Forensic Surgery Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH) in Boston.  

 

Because of my previous work with the USDA, I was quickly employed by the federal government. My early years as a physician related mostly to providing medical support to various employee types (fire fighters, etc.) within the USDA/FS.

 

I also became the forensic expert and anatomist for the USDA and was called to examine most major accidental deaths of USDA/FS servicemen. Due to my interest in genetics and early experiences in agricultural hybridization, I was assigned to scientific teams, which investigated the physical nature of genetics.

 

Our early experiments determined that DNA is the component of the chromosomes where genetics should be studied; this, along with the efforts of several other scientists, lead to the discovery of the double helix structure in early 1950s.

 

It was at this same time that several of our team members were called to Bandera County, TX where the forestry scientists/biologists assigned to Edwards Plateau reported the dead bodies of a strange type of human. The first reports I received were speculating that they were feral humans from the local Comanche Indian tribes. The bodies were supposedly found in or around one of the massive caves within the Edwards Plateau area.

 

When I arrived in Texas, I was surprised to find 3 bodies; one adult female and two female juveniles. I examined them as I typically would any human subject. But to my dismay--one of these creatures still seemed to be alive. I became quite upset with the local scientists--but they reassured me that they confirmed all 3 were deceased.

 

After further investigation, I found that these creatures were not human. They, in fact, had a remarkable rapid reparative process (hence the reason one of the creatures seemed dead--but in fact was regenerating to a degree). Unfortunately the restorative abilities of the creature were not enough to keep it alive. They were massive in size and distinctly a new primate species unknown to science at the time.

 

I spent years studying these creatures (which are scientifically known as Cebidatelidae), confirming that they were most certainly not human; they were definitely of Primate origin, but with traits seen in various species of primate – most of which were New World monkey.

 

Cebidatelidae found in the San Antonio Texas area very much “howl†like a howler monkey (quite frightening to hear at night).  At one point early in my analysis, I found a great deal of similarity between these bigfoot creatures and the Howler Monkey- that was until 1962…..

 

In late 1962 early ’63 I was notified of a large human like creature by the Redding forest service folks in California. I arranged for transport of the body to my primary location in Colorado. It was reported to me that the body was found under a large tree that had been violently struck by lightning and blown to the ground, apparently killing this large creature.

 

During my investigation- I found the animal to be very similar to those I had studied in the Bandera County area of Texas, with some marked differences. This northern version of Cebidatelidae seemed to have the same new world monkey attributes I notated in the Texas animals (known today as Cebidatelidae texicanus or C. texicanus).

 

However, there were unique traits found in this Pacific Northwest animal (known today as Cebidatelidae nerteros pacificus or C. nerteros pacificus) including thumbs that are not entirely opposable, as we see in modern humans. C. nerteros pacificus entire hand was truly designed for grip, including proximal pads; making the hand somewhat hooked like, having flattened nails resulting in my theory that these northern creatures developed an evolutionary arboreal nature while the Texas sub-family developed a trogloxene nature. 

 

This Pacific Northwest (PNW) creature found in 1962-63 also had scent glands on her forearms. This is more evidence that C. nerteros pacificus is arboreal to some extent, leaving sent marks up and down the tree while climbing.  Not only was this creature smashed by the large tree, but she was also badly burned with areas of lightning prints on exposed skin. I notated in my Medical Examination report of the body that it seemed as though lightning struck the animal passing through the body and into the tree; subsequently weakening the tree and causing it to fall to the ground. 

 

It did seem as though the animal had fallen to the ground first, with the tree falling on top of her afterward- but the evidence as to whether the animal fell first or with the tree is inconclusive. However, it is clear lightning struck the tree at a decent height of over 20 feet; therefore this animal must have been clinging to the tree at the time of the lightning strike…. more evidence of the arboreal nature of C. nerteros pacificus.

 

 C. nerteros pacificus also has additional medial padding on the feet, which it would use to climb trees by clinging to the tree with its hands and support its weight.

 

Both the C. nerteros pacificus and C. texicanus have oversized lower jaws, including massive sternocleidomastoid musculature. This must have been due to their rugged diet and, moreover, their need to crush bones. Their lower dentum at first looked as a second row of molars. But after years of research and examining the dead bodies of these animals, I have found that the lower molars are simply oversized or fused resulting in massive, bone crushing tools. 

 

Due to their jaw size and bone crushing dentum, it is also clear that all sub-family of this creature are omnivorous, predacious and opportunistic.  We did find that the female killed during the Columbus Day storm was pregnant with monozygotic embryos. All female Cebidatelidae bodies I have investigated throughout my career that have been pregnant have monozygotic embryos; this again, incorporating additional evidence of a new world monkey relationship.

 

 Due to my investigations of the 1950s bodies in Texas and the 1960s PNW Columbus day storm body- I submitted to the Department of Agriculture that this is a new Platyrrhini species and that a new family under the parvorder should be created. Fellow scientists of mine disagreed given the fact that the creatures we examined in both cases were obviously bipedal and catarrhini in terms of their nostrils facing downward (old world monkeys). 

 

However, the juveniles we have examined are much more platyrrhini in terms of nostril breadth and position. I won the debate in the end due to the fact that no evidence thus far demonstrates that these creatures crossed over from the old world- but are simply new world monkeys adapting to their various staged areas within North and South America*.

 

I have since retired and I know of some new University of Utah based scientists and Idaho who understand the genetics a bit better. Their findings are only supporting my original theorems, or at least I am told. These molecular biologists will soon understand the similarities with humans- once the human genome project is completed. As a result, I still refer to the Sasquatch species as Cebidatelidae with the following subfamilies:

Cebidatelidae arktos

Cebidatelidae nerteros pacificus

Cebidatelidae somphos

Cebidatelidae americanus

Cebidatelidae texicanus

Cebidatelidae amazonia

 

*Any of these species found outside the New World must have originated from and migrated out of the new world.

All of my experience with this primate has been post-mortem, save a few unique experiences in the wild. To my knowledge a live specimen has never been captured except for once in Northern Research station in California. However, the animal did not survive in captivity and died after only several days. 

 

I, of course, examined the body. There were many rumors that this captured “Sasquatch†was somehow magical and could shape shift and that is why it couldn’t be found. The truth is… the folks at Northern Research station were very devastated and embarrassed that this live specimen died so quickly after being in captivity. So no, they are not magical. They are highly intelligent primates. 

 

Having one die in captivity is a very difficult to witness due to the human nature and feeling about the species. In reality, captivity will never be realistic for Cebidatelidae because of their size and complex brains. Similar to captive white sharks, the species cannot thrive in captivity and quickly die as a protective mechanism.

 

I have spent a great deal of my career as an expert for the federal government concerning Cebidatelidae and throughout the world, including the bodies recovered in the 80s due to Mount Saint Helen eruption. We made many recommendations to protect the species, but the DOI has constant concern regarding the impact of such a decision due to the vast number of areas this species inhabits. Such a decision would have potential negative impacts on the natural resource industry. The USFS is now working more toward creating protective wildlife refuges for Cebidatelidae.

 

[There is an entire section here that I could not transcribe- Handwriting was illegible]

 

…others on the team focused on molecular genetics….

 

[There is an entire section here that I could not transcribe- Handwriting was illegible]

 

…. the USFS and the DOI is recognizing now that the natural resource industry is not the economic center as it once was. So a final decision has been made to finalize the class 1 identification of the species. There is a 20 year plan to incorporate all wildlife protection areas throughout many areas of the United States to ensure federal land protection for Cebidatelidae starting with California, Colorado, Idaho, Oregon, Utah, and Washington.

 

I was upset by this decision because the first location the species was identified scientifically was Texas. I petitioned and as a result, the Government Canyon State Natural Area will be protected, opened to the public and expanded in Bexar County, TX. The long-term plan will be to open each of these designated “Natural Areas†to the public. Once all of the designated Cebidatelidae “Natural Areas†are open to the public, the DOI will announce the species as an endangered New World Primate. I am not sure if this will happen, and the Government Canyon State Natural Area will not be open to the public until 2005 and then expanded later in 2009, and then again in 2012. This will all happen long after I am dead I’m afraid.

 

I am currently still living in Colorado and I have attempted to journal my experience with the discovery of this new massive primate. The species is amazing, powerful, and deadly if angered. Like any animal, it will protect itself, its food source and its young at all cost. Artiodactyla are Cebidatelidaes’ primary food source. It is imperative that the federal government continue to designate “Natural Areasâ€. Otherwise, a scarce food resource available to Cebidatelidae will result in more opportunistic feeding behavior and closer interaction between Humans and Cebidatelidae. These creatures and human beings simply do not co-exist.

 

 

H.A. Miller, MD, PhD (Now deceased) 

 

 

 

Influenced by the writings of Anatomist Dr. Thomas Dwight among which includes: "Frozen Sections of a Child" (1872); "Clinical Atlas of Variations of the Bones of the Hands and Feet" (1907); "Thoughts of a Catholic Anatomist" (1911)

 

 

Note the last paragraph.

 

 

[slabdog]

The government couldn't cover up bigfoot.

Too many leaks.

[Guest JiggyPotamus]

I think that there is a common misconception when it comes to government conspiracies in general. People tend to think of the government as some large entity that is interconnected in all departments and all ways. This is faaaar from the truth. There are so many people within the government, who fill the positions in the thousands of different departments, that it is virtually impossible for anything like a conspiracy to involve even a fraction of the entire government. Conspiracy is a bad word in this case though, because in this case there is no nefarious plan to keep the reality of sasquatch from the public.

 

The truth is that all any department must do is NOT talk about it publicly, or release any statement regarding sasquatch being real. It is actually quite simple. And let's think about "who" in the government knows of sasquatch existence. There are base commanders, and other officers at military bases who have probably seen footage taken by security cameras on various bases in the US. Some may have even seen a sasquatch in person. These officers find out because the chain of command. The enlisted men who initially discovered the sasquatch will also know, and anyone they tell. It does not matter how many people know of this, because the base commander is never going to call a press conference to tell the world what they saw. THAT is not their job, and they would have to get CLEARANCE from someone above them to do this anyway.

 

So even IF one of these people would admit to what they saw if someone asked them, they are not going to confirm it on the record, or to the public. So we have some aspects of the military who know. Then there are the forest services who must have had encounters of their own. The same thing occurs within this group. They just don't go out of their way to confirm what is going on. And the majority of rangers probably have never had an encounter, and so don't know the animal is out there. Even if someone told them so, they aren't going to believe it all the time anyway.

 

The knowledge of the existence of sasquatch, in this case, is not institutional knowledge. It is PERSONAL knowledge that usually does not spread within the institution. And then it is true that there are certain groups that would actual suffer from admitting that sasquatch is real. ANY group that makes money off of anything within the sasquatch environment could potentially lose money from disclosure. So let's say that some high-level government officials actually compiled a lot of evidence and wanted to release the information...They wouldn't, but let's say the wanted to. They would be stopped by someone before they could do it. Lobbyists RUN Washington. But this is not the really the main reason that sasquatch is not announced to the public.

 

The main reason is like I said. There is absolutely NO institutional knowledge of the existence of sasquatch. There is only personal or individual knowledge of the animal. Some of those who know may have found out through their jobs, but it does not go any further than that. Then there is the problem that even if a forest ranger reports a sasquatch, where is the hard evidence? Is a ranger any more likely to record a sasquatch on video than a regular person? They don't walk around with cameras in hand. The military surveillance cameras would be the main way sasquatch are recorded in North America, and releasing such information would only cause headaches for the military base or military as a whole.

 

So I really wish people would stop SCOFFING at the idea that there is a coverup going on. There is, but it is not the way most people think. The coverup is that those who know about sasquatch are not RISKING their careers or reputations to pursue disclosure.

[slabdog]

After further investigation, I found that these creatures were not human. They, in fact, had a remarkable rapid reparative process (hence the reason one of the creatures seemed dead--but in fact was regenerating to a degree). Unfortunately the restorative abilities of the creature were not enough to keep it alive. They were massive in size and distinctly a new primate species unknown to science at the time.

I don't know...

That part sounds a little too "comic book-ish" to me.

Do any other type of documented animals have a "rapid reparative process"?

[Guest]

I don't  see why government would have a vested interest in covering up the existence of BF unless they thought it was responsible for hundreads of missing people in the National Parks system. Think about the billions of dollars generated in taxes and commercial sales via hunters, fishermen, hikers, campers etc etc. Other than something of that order, I see no reason for government to care about BF.  In fact, I really don't see government caring about much of anything these days.

[Guest guillaume]

The government couldn't cover up bigfoot.

 

I have to agree.  It also seems that it's those who think the the government is usually incompetent who are most likely to claim that they have superpowers when it comes to secrets and conspiracies.

 

I'm sure that the truth is far less dramatic.

[Squatchy McSquatch]

Nobody is covering up bigfoot.

 

Nobody.

 

Let's not get into Blevins territory.

[MIB]

Right.  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

MIB