coffee2go Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Marsh Investigation Video Here is the video embed code for my recent investigation, view the first 15 minutes, skip the middle and go to 37 minute mark. and you'll see the most interesting discoveries. www.youtube.com/embed/Rkc9Kc4yLz0 Does anyone see the goose kills being simply coyote, why would they be so concentrated, and do they not eat bones and all, lots of ribs and wings left, necks and breast missing, I guess an alternative would be that a hunter dumped them, but there past the tree line and spread out a bit. Also what would clear out that area going into the marsh, there were several areas kind of cleared out marsh going to no where. I have barely even heard the coyotes as of late, they are laying very low. Deer are leaving the area before nightfall and heading across the street to a safer sleeping area. From what I can gather coyotes prey on Geese during the nesting season, not in the fall, and this is to get the eggs which they cache for later, hmmm wonder who else might do that. I am sure they would be successful in some attempts to take adult geese, but this was beyond success this was a slaughter, It seems to me this took a degree of intelligence. Ahh, how well do you know your neighbor??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 Could you make out any of the recording vocalizations.... Yah I wondered if he was the culprit, but no gun shots nearby, unless he was dumping the geese, I guess it is possible, I will have to go check them better, see if I can find any buckshot...I did notice that most had their ribs, so I do not know how that happens, I would assume Coyotes would leave very little, almost seems like breast was ripped out, and head and neck removed, do not know if that is possible for a human to remove that way, maybe someone could chime in on that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David NC Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 The deer skull in the vid has been in the hands of a hunter at one time, What carried it to that spot I do not know. I say it was killed by a hunter or poacher because the deer's right antler looked like it was sawn off below the antler base with a hacksaw. The left antler looks like it was broken off naturally may be why it was not sawn off too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) The deer skull in the vid has been in the hands of a hunter at one time, What carried it to that spot I do not know. I say it was killed by a hunter or poacher because the deer's right antler looked like it was sawn off below the antler base with a hacksaw. The left antler looks like it was broken off naturally may be why it was not sawn off too. Good observation I will go back and further review, it has been years since I was a hunter, so I need to vet my observations here with all of you to come to reasonable conclusions. Thanks for the input. I am not 100% sure what your looking at, I will review again. Edited November 26, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 This really might be a case for the state DNR, and I am about to pull that trigger, pardon the pun.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) 24 hours behind on my recording review, this is taking up a lot of time, I hope in the end I really get something a bit closer to the recorder, the 4 whoops I last posted were still not near, maybe 75 yards to the east. That is where the goose kills are by the way. But I am really leaning more towards a hunter dumping them and the coyotes, or whatever, spreading them out, I might call a DNR agent to inspect for poaching...It is quite easy to let yourself get side tracked, a nights sleep and I see things a bit more clearly. Though I have renamed the clip I posted because I do think they are whoops, so either a very high pitched human, or primate. From the time before 5am, temp low teens, very windy, overcast November 24, not too many humans wondering around making whoop sounds these days. 3 whoops junior going off.wav Edited November 26, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Nice work Lake! It could be the geese were breasted out by a hunter (just removing the breast meat) and then they were dumped. Lots of goose hunters do that. Could your whoops be geese calling? I live on the river here where there are tons of Canada geese. They'll call all night...squawking, honking and calling. Your whoops made me think of that. t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I have something similar going on here.....no bodies though but an almost total disappearance of the ducks and geese that live on the river below me. The city had created a wetland when they put in flood control about 7-8 years ago. It had created a thriving habitat and the population of ducks and geese was growing steadily. In at least the past two months, I have seen only 2-3 ducks and no geese. The Canada geese did not make a stop on the river this year after doing it for years. I have no idea what this means. To my knowledge the city has not suddenly decided to eradicate them....they were encouraging them along the river because it was a big draw for folks to feed them. This was a wetter than normal summer and the river was swelling most of the time. I haven't looked into environmental issues yet....it is more like they were run off. The only thing that comes to my mind right now (for my situation) is that irresponsible dog owners let their dogs destroy nesting sites this summer. There is a walking trail that follows the river. May not ...and probably does not have any connection .....just curious. You are probably right...poachers in your situation and I will be interested to hear what you find out. That was truly an excessive amount of bodies. If I suddenly find bodies or discover the reason our ducks and particularly the geese are gone...I will let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) Terry I have heard a lot of geese on the recorder, and never had an issue with thinking they were anything else, but as I mentioned before, I have had some strange sounding geese lately, that do not match my earlier recordings. The cadence made me think goose, then I listened closer, and heard more of whooping. Sasquatch tone is very high pitched, and this is in that tonal range, It may be an attempt to lure an unsuspecting goose, a goose call in the dark. That is reaching. Mockingbird, it was shocking to find so many, but it is next to an area a vehicle could have dumped them, so I think that is what happened, my suspicion of Squatches doing it is my mind running away with it, I have to be careful of getting sidetracked. The whoops, and the more recent vocalizations, are a definite change in the local recordings. I was alerted to get my recorder back out when my wife said she heard a distinct whoop in the morning, otherwise I was done for winter, then I get these vocalizations three nights in a row, none all summer, then three nights in a row with some variety. Edited November 26, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) It is easy to vacillate on these type of things, which further proves how hard it is to prove anything to yourself or anyone else with technology, I guess if I had a recording of what I heard in July I could rest easier knowing I could demonstrate what I heard. I know that everything I presented so far leaves plenty of room for doubt, so I will toss it all aside and wait for definitive proof, whatever that means. This does not mean I am rejecting any of my previous suspicions, it just means that they will be only that, suspicions till I get some thing more credible. A track or video is needed to confirm this suspicion Edited November 26, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 It is easy to vacillate on these type of things, which further proves how hard it is to prove anything to yourself or anyone else with technology, I guess if I had a recording of what I heard in July I could rest easier knowing I could demonstrate what I heard. I know that everything I presented so far leaves plenty of room for doubt, so I will toss it all aside and wait for definitive proof, whatever that means. This does not mean I am rejecting any of my previous suspicions, it just means that they will be only that, suspicions till I get some thing more credible. A track or video is needed to confirm this suspicion You're on the right track and it's neat that you're out there checking things out objectively. Nice going! t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee2go Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 It would be interesting to find out if there are any tracks that aren't coyote once you get a snowfall. Is it possible to put some bait out there that wouldn't be close to the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Oh, absolutely I agree with all you have said. That was a lot of bodies....it is strange that all the ducks and geese have disappeared from here. After flourishing for so long. Probably no Biggie connection at all....but, paying attention to this stuff and figuring out what IS causing it goes a long way toward figuring out what is truly strange and what is just nature. You can't figure out what is going on if you don't observe and ask questions. It is a learning curve for sure and vacillation is part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake County Bigfooot Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 I just did a walkabout the marsh, circling to check for prints,but as I suspected nada. If they move around in the snow theywill be discovered, so who knows what they do then, I guess waittill they get a chance to leave or till snow is melted, maybe atsome point that becomes a critical situation that forces them tomove, snow or no snow, and bingo they leave prints somewhere, howdo I find somewhere, someday, somehow.....urrrrgggghhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David NC Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Hi LCB. I was talking about time mark 38:09 on the video. you turn the little buck skull over and what would be the deer's right antler looked like it had been sawn off. Hunters or poachers could be dumping the carcasses there to get rid of them, but that also means a free meal for any omnivore or carnivore looking for an easy meal. When it snows look for tracks in the edge of the water, if something is aware of it's own tracks it may go around the edge of the water rather than in the snow. That is what I would do if I did not want to leave tracks in the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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