Guest Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) BFSleuth said: " I think it would be useful talk about this less in terms of "paranormal" and simply discuss the potential capabilities of BF based on observations from sighting reports. Paranormal is a word that is loaded with meanings of magic, and some folks on this thread are reticent to accept that BF "defies physics". " Outside the realm of "normal", pretty much sums up sasquatch/bigfoot anyway. It is interesting to see various boundary lines being drawn inside the bigfoot research arena. The flesh and blood line, the "it isn't proven to exist" and the paranormal, all have divided the landscape. I'm not sure we even understand the landscape well enough to subdivide it! Kit cracked me up with his "Irony Meter" graphic, but his observation was seriously accurate. It seems sad that we fall into predictable groups or camps when presented with a paradigm shift. I'm just a guy stumbling around in the woods, looking for clues and trying to be observant. I'm also trying to keep an open mind. If I dismiss something out of hand, I may miss an important piece of the puzzle. Edited April 7, 2011 by John T
Guest JudasBeast Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) UnknownHairyOne said: Why even bother discussing this topic in this forum when most here are attempting to reconcile this enigmatic figure in the first place. When I first saw one of the big ones (probably close to 10 ft), I said to myself "How in the hell can something that big run around in this forest without being seen or even leaving ridiculous track signs everywhere." Susi says: I'm sure that there are people here who will argue with you about the existence of BF. However, I've had paranormal experiences.I understand that there are things that *are* here that cannot be explained, such as UFOs and ghosts. I think that I believe in the BF species due to the fact that I do know (*for myself, not trying to ask anyone else to believe*)that the world has more to offer than we can see with our eyes, some paranormal events are visible, but others aren't. This may be why I believe, plus all of the witnesses, such as soldiers, military,police,and average people everywhere who have seen this creature. There is too much smoke for there not to be some sort of unknown creature causing the fire,leading to the smoke. I have one image in my head that I can't get rid off. It was a police detective in the wooded area holding his large handgun weapon in his *Shaking Hand* as he told his story of his encounter where his encounter had happened, and they heard noises in the woods near them, and had rocks thrown at them. The 2 police detectives were terrified, IMHO, because their hands were shaking, they were both trembling, and watching the woods as they asked to leave the area. UnknownHairy said: I have experienced much more since then and know much more than I tell. I leave you with the question that came to my mind at that moment. All the other stuff is probably left to a special forum and not this one. This forum is a skeptic's forum and for those who demand evidence. Susi says: There are skeptics here, but there are also believers who post here, and share their encounters with the rest of us. I am trying to remember the TV shows name and channel where I saw this 2 hour, or 90 minute BF program where the policemen had their encounter while they were camping IIRC..I'm pretty sure the program was based in Oklahoma, and I think it may have been on the Sci-Fi Channel. Could someone post the name of the program and the channel for me here,please? Thanks and Hugs for your assistance.. Are you thinking of the incident in Woodhall NY? Its been reenacted a kazillion times for the documentary circuit. O wait........your thinking of the reporter who went in the woods with the two police officers.The guy who was shaking had glasses on and he started crying and wanted to leave,right? I think the reporters name was Cindy Bear or something like that. Yes it was Oklahoma. Its on Discovery all the time. Its called Bigfootville...aired in Oct of 2002 Edited April 7, 2011 by JudasBeast
Guest Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 JB, Thank you so much! It was driving me crazy not to be able to remember the name of the program. Now I'll be able to record it next time it comes on. You are a sweetie!
Guest Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 Found it! Bigfootville is showing on to The Travel Channel Saturday 4/16 @4-5pm. However, the program is only an hour long, and I definitely (seem to) remember the show being 1&1/2 hours long. How odd.
Guest Tsalagi Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 There is a phenomena in the woods where two animals do not acknowlege each other. I have encountered a bull moose on a game trail I was taking as a short cut. He elected not to make eye contact and walked by me within a couple of feet. We were invisible to each other by common consent. I think this occours frequently with the Sasquatch. I think this phenomena, whatever it might be, also extends to humans. I had an incident where I was in pine forest with a Native elder who was teaching me to dance. We were talking quietly at times, we turned and there was a game warden or ranger within feet of us. It was in a stand of skinny pines so its not like a lot of brush and trees was hiding us and we weren't in camo. Yet he seemed to not see us. We stood and watched him, she told me not to say anything, but we were not even holding perfectly still. He kinda turned around in a circle like he sensed our presence. But he never spoke so I believe he didn't see us. Since we were two women I would think he would have acknowledged us by saying "hello" because he would have no reason to feel threatened. I ran into a game warden two other times in woods and when fishing and both times the men spoke with me for awhile exchanging pleasantries.
Guest Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 Maybe the Native elder you were with had a few other skills up his sleeve and the ranger wasn't meant to see you?
Guest UnknownHairyOne Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) The Crow tribe believed/believes barn owls achieve their appearance by turning their bodies inside out. There are lots of Christian fanatics and cults. Should I point and say see there, all Christians are fanatics. No I shouldn't. Nor should you. Just making a point and not trying to get personal. Indians lived on these lands for years in symbiotic fashion with the land. They survived off it but didn't turn it into polluted **** nor everything we eat into polluted ****. There was a respect for creation and each other. Sasquatch do the same. Let me know how modern man that said move over we're wiser than you is doing. Because I think we're dealing with their wisdom and superior intelligence right now in a big way. Edited April 8, 2011 by UnknownHairyOne
southernyahoo Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 Have you been back to that area because you have found a sight where they were in communication with each other, and were physically there. Yes I went back 3 weeks later to sort out what the blob was. I didn't get proof ,but ofcoarse I have my suspicions. I returned a few months later but didn't get the same results at that spot , but other locations along the same river proved productive later on.
Guest Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 To simply put it, no. They are animals, just like humans. What other animals do you know of that time travel/ life in other dimensions? And the answer can't be, "how do you know they don't since you can't see them?" because there is no evidence backing it up.
Guest Tsalagi Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 Maybe the Native elder you were with had a few other skills up his sleeve and the ranger wasn't meant to see you? Not sure I follow you ...are you suggesting it was staged? I went to the elders house and we decided on spur of moment to go out in woods. The dancing lessons weren't even planned. She wasn't one to rub elbows with ranger types, so I doubt she knew him or arranged this beforehand.
Guest Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 No no no, of course I didn't mean anything like that. I was jokingly inferring that maybe the elder had a little bit more knowledge of our self being, like being 'one with nature' just as Sasquatch might do. Getting back to some of the really old shaman ways even.
Guest Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 And maybe even becoming invisible yourselves is what I meant.
Guest ShadowPrime Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 Well, since I was earlier talking about improbabilities, I guess I have to note that we had one right here... Saskeptic and I rarely can agree on something as simple as the time of day but in this case, I think he and I are on the same page. Whoa. At this point, best for me to leave this Thread to those who enjoy the topic - and certainly nothing wrong with that! Just saying... as I noted... to me, once you take BF from the realm of "undiscovered animal" to "supernatural, invisible, dimenion hopping supermonster"... well, there just ain't too much left to say, or discuss. If BF can be anywhere, warp time and space, be seen or unseen, and so forth, not much point in discussing "evidence", as nothing...NOTHING...can be rejected. But hey, thats why we have chocolate AND vanilla, so have fun guys! Shadow
Guest LAL Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 C'mon, people. When Kewaunee Lapseritis or the late Jon-Erik Beckjord talked about sasquatches talking to them in their heads (see Sasquatch Oddessy for Lapseritis as a wild-eyed fanatic, complete with wild eyes) should they have been seeing a) a wildlife biologist, a government official, or c) a competent psychiatrist with a specialty in schizophrenia?
Guest Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 In plugging along with my cheerful "thinking outside the box" I still think the idea of, as humans very well may have physical-biological limitations that preclude us from percieving our world as well as we think we do. Much like a birds vision is radically different than ours? Factor in the tiny apparent things such as our eyes face forward and there are gaps in our pherephrial vision (blind spots) what may have at first analysis appeared paranormal probably wasn't. In bringing up the differences in how birds percieve the world, they see colors differently, their depth perception is different, our brains are more complex and process sensory data more comprehensively , but I will politely ask you to ponder "Is There More?" Certainly to measure and tweek things it is accepted to use massive amounts of energy. But if scientists looked at expanding the physical capabilities of our existing organs (eyes, hearing) would we find we actually live in a 4-D world? (I'm using 4-D because there isn't a name for the idea I'm trying to convey) It's a fine line to walk but this is the wiggle room I was alluding to. It also is not paranormal, nor scientifically disproven ....yet! You'll have to excuse me...I believe my last two tiny working brain cells just died for your enjoyment!!! Altho this idea is just barely roughed out I would welcome any additional information assisting in moving it along as a theory of merit. :)
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