Invisible Bigfoot & Alternative Thinking

[Guest]

Southernyahoo said:

No, the sounds were of an animal moving in the brush near me like long striding foot steps. The creature walked right past us as we stood on a road while it was in the tree line. This occured just after a loud call blast and it stunned me that an animal would come towards us after that, instead of run in fear. It wasn't like the behavior of say a deer or hog, and moved faster than the usual armadillo or racoon, so don't know what it was based on the sounds, I just know I expected to see a person step out of the woods when it turned an paralelled the road. There were other sounds heard and recorded from that night that corresponded to wood knocking and very slow creeping of a terrestrial critter. Also have a very inconclusive video of a blob by a tree from the evenings events.

Susi says:

You may not have gotten a picture, but you did have an encounter.

Have you been back to that area because you have found a sight where they were in communication with each other, and were physically there.

It amazes me that a lot of the general public to this day do not believe in the BF phenomena. There is so much proof, and reports from people who had terrifying encounters, or just a sighting that the general public just seems to ignore. When I try to discuss the BF species with friends and *family*, they roll their eyes at me because they still think that this issue is a joke,and I've learned not to discuss it anywhere but here.I'm so thankful for this forum.

[Incorrigible1]

All due respect, but when did Native Americans become the leading authority in bigfoot possibilities? Sure, they've existed for a long time in North America, but they also have a fair number of fairly whacky belief systems about animals, too.

[Guest]

Since the idea that Bigfoot could become invisible is being scoffed at, does that mean that the idea presented by some Natives that he can hypnotize also "impossible'? Its said someone who gets too close to him can be rendered incapable of following or shooting. This has been on tv reports.

I also think that people can freeze due to fear of seeing a creature *that does not exist*.

But:

Anything is possible with these animals, and if the NA's claim BF has this ability, I'd listen with an open mind because they have much more history with this species than the "white" man does.

[Guest]

Since the idea that Bigfoot could become invisible is being scoffed at, does that mean that the idea presented by some Natives that he can hypnotize also "impossible'? Its said someone who gets too close to him can be rendered incapable of following or shooting. This has been on tv reports.

No I don't think we're ready to just toss the evidence aside. Altho I certainly don't presume to speak for anyone else. Explaining the seemingly inexplicable may take more than five pages!! It's a complicated subject and I will assume one that can't be resolved quickly. Your inquiry covers three questions in one so I'd ask for some patience and goodwill? If possible?

(JMO)

[Sasfooty]

but they also have a fair number of fairly whacky belief systems about animals, too.

Could you give us an example or two?

[Guest]

All due respect, but when did Native Americans become the leading authority in bigfoot possibilities? Sure, they've existed for a long time in North America, but they also have a fair number of fairly whacky belief systems about animals, too.

Your opinion of Native American belief systems sounds arrogant and misinformed. It is also insulting. Maybe there was another way to phrase your thoughts? Since you may not be aware you are criticizing in a backhanded way someones religious beliefs as well? These things are intertwined an of a sensitive nature.

(JMO)

[Incorrigible1]

Could you give us an example or two?

The Crow tribe believed/believes barn owls achieve their appearance by turning their bodies inside out.

[Incorrigible1]

Your opinion of Native American belief systems sounds arrogant and misinformed. It is also insulting. Maybe there was another way to phrase your thoughts? Since you may not be aware you are criticizing in a backhanded way someones religious beliefs as well? These things are intertwined an of a sensitive nature.

(JMO)

If you feel that way, by all means hit the "report" button. I assure you that you're wrong in virtually every statement you posted.

[Guest BFSleuth]

I think it would be useful talk about this less in terms of "paranormal" and simply discuss the potential capabilities of BF based on observations from sighting reports. Paranormal is a word that is loaded with meanings of magic, and some folks on this thread are reticent to accept that BF "defies physics".

Let's first focus on what has been observed, and try to formulate theories that might fit the observations within the realm of physics. When "primitive" man encountered "modern" man's technologies they almost always thought that such things as guns were "thunder sticks" or some other kind of magic. Since humans cannot perceive a broad range of stimuli some naturally occurring phenomena can be thought of as "paranormal" unless we develop technology that allows us to see or hear. Until we created microscopes, for example, disease was a curse from the gods. Now we can see bacteria and viruses and track them, so the paranormal explanations fade away in regard to disease.

As I noted on my previous post on this thread, I think that many of the "paranormal" phenomena that we associate with BF will likely be explained by abilities to generate infrasound or similar behaviors. Think about the person that earlier in the thread described walking into a portal while hiking in Oregon, within a few steps he was suddenly in a tropical environment with different lighting and a hairy hand coming for his throat, then walking backward to get out of the portal. In this case he reported an initial blurry vision and dizziness. Symptoms associated with infrasound at 18 mHz.

BF has been reported by Native Americans as having the ability to kill animals without touching them. Infrasound can kill, especially around 2-6 mHz (one research paper talked about "cavitation of major organs").

I have also been thinking about BF language and brain, thinking about a previous post discussing brain development in dolphins and whales that have an entire lobe of the brain that humans don't have. This lobe in cephalopods allow them to "see" sound in three dimensions for sonar viewing of their environment, but also allows them to communicate complex messages in sound bursts (while humans need to communicate with single sounds over a period of time). BF brains are likely much larger than human brains, and if they also have this additional lobe then how does infrasound tie in with it and what does this mean in terms of their capabilities?

For our field research purposes I think it would be wise to begin taking into consideration that we are not dealing with a "dumb ape" but likely may be dealing with a sentient being with language to start with. Begin with a little respect would be the correct approach.

[Drew]

You have an extremely condescending way with words at times..

But that's your problem, not mine..

It is not condescending to state facts. The facts are, that those who believe Bigfoot is a physical creature, and those who think Bigfoot is an invisible Bigfoot, both have the same amount of verifiable evidence supporting their belief. They are 'in the same boat' in other words.

The part about the HMS or the USS was a joke, because you asked about

"What's the name of that Boat Drew ??"

[Guest BuzzardEater]

There is a phenomena in the woods where two animals do not acknowlege each other. I have encountered a bull moose on a game trail I was taking as a short cut. He elected not to make eye contact and walked by me within a couple of feet. We were invisible to each other by common consent. I think this occours frequently with the Sasquatch.

[Guest]

I think it would be useful talk about this less in terms of "paranormal" and simply discuss the potential capabilities of BF based on observations from sighting reports. Paranormal is a word that is loaded with meanings of magic, and some folks on this thread are reticent to accept that BF "defies physics".

Let's first focus on what has been observed, and try to formulate theories that might fit the observations within the realm of physics. When "primitive" man encountered "modern" man's technologies they almost always thought that such things as guns were "thunder sticks" or some other kind of magic. Since humans cannot perceive a broad range of stimuli some naturally occurring phenomena can be thought of as "paranormal" unless we develop technology that allows us to see or hear. Until we created microscopes, for example, disease was a curse from the gods. Now we can see bacteria and viruses and track them, so the paranormal explanations fade away in regard to disease.

As I noted on my previous post on this thread, I think that many of the "paranormal" phenomena that we associate with BF will likely be explained by abilities to generate infrasound or similar behaviors. Think about the person that earlier in the thread described walking into a portal while hiking in Oregon, within a few steps he was suddenly in a tropical environment with different lighting and a hairy hand coming for his throat, then walking backward to get out of the portal. In this case he reported an initial blurry vision and dizziness. Symptoms associated with infrasound at 18 mHz.

BF has been reported by Native Americans as having the ability to kill animals without touching them. Infrasound can kill, especially around 2-6 mHz (one research paper talked about "cavitation of major organs").

I have also been thinking about BF language and brain, thinking about a previous post discussing brain development in dolphins and whales that have an entire lobe of the brain that humans don't have. This lobe in cephalopods allow them to "see" sound in three dimensions for sonar viewing of their environment, but also allows them to communicate complex messages in sound bursts (while humans need to communicate with single sounds over a period of time). BF brains are likely much larger than human brains, and if they also have this additional lobe then how does infrasound tie in with it and what does this mean in terms of their capabilities?

For our field research purposes I think it would be wise to begin taking into consideration that we are not dealing with a "dumb ape" but likely may be dealing with a sentient being with language to start with. Begin with a little respect would be the correct approach.

Thank you so much for this post. Agreed respect is the order of the day. I had been thinking along the lines that since Time and to a degree space are a "human construct" that leaves a lot of wiggle room in how both function. Just because we only percieve in 3-D does not preclude we are percieving all there is. It has been long accepted now that ultra-sound can break up kidney stones. We only know to the extent we have equiptment to measure, what infra-sound can do. In a repeatable controlled environment. No one yet has done a study using infra-sound in a molecular context, involving time or space perception.

If I'm wrong about that, more accurate info I'm sure will be forthcoming!

So far I don't see a paradox in using sound waves to alter our perceptions, much like someone passing a Moose in the woods and not seeing it. If I'm not mistaken we use sound waves in ground penetrating radar to illuminate gas pockets and other hidden topography, but at a decreased frequency than what may be needed to cause an observer to have a temporary "blind spot".

[Guest]

They do exist that's for sure.

I'll take your word for it. Wait a minute, no I won't.

But there does seem to be a high number of people who complain of similar accounts of getting sick and such. There must be something to it.

Why must there be something to it?

Only if the elephants understood.

How would bigfoots understand?

Here's the scenario:

Bigfoots naturally make low noises.

Some bigfoots actually make infrasonic sounds.

One day, a bigfoot makes an infrasound in such a way that it instantly zaps into a set from "Land of the Lost." (Seriously?)

Somehow this bigfoot is able to return to the world he came from (ours, presumably) and learns to control his popping in and out of dimensions at will.

This ability confers a selective advantage over all the other bigfoots, resulting in the dimension-hopping bigfoot siring significantly more offspring (all of whom share his heretofore unique ability) over his entire reproductive lifespan than all his competitors.

Over time, dimension-hopping bigfoots become better represented in the population until pretty much any bigfoot selected at random has the ability.

Something like this scenario would pretty much have to had happened for a population to have developed the ability to use infrasound to access alternate dimensions. (Nevermind that the oodles of research into infrasound by our own species has indicated no such thing.)

We're talking about a degree of comprehension here that may be above elephants ability to comprehend, regardless of how intelligent elephants may be. Manipulating frequency and creating harmonics is also something that requires a bit more control, desire, and awareness then elephants are capable of. I suspect it would also be outside of the range of what elephants care about.

I suspect elephants would care very much about an ability that could prevent them from dying of thirst. Death is a pretty strong selective pressure.

As for intelligence, our brains are 2–3 lbs; elephants' are more like 8–12 lbs. They're smart enough.

[Guest]

Well fine then, be difficult about it. Besides, everyone knows that the everyday Regulation Portal is about the size of a doorway and so an elephant just couldn't fit through it.

[Guest]

UnknownHairyOne said:

Why even bother discussing this topic in this forum when most here are attempting to reconcile this enigmatic figure in the first place. When I first saw one of the big ones (probably close to 10 ft), I said to myself "How in the hell can something that big run around in this forest without being seen or even leaving ridiculous track signs everywhere."

Susi says:

I'm sure that there are people here who will argue with you about the existence of BF.

However, I've had paranormal experiences.I understand that there are things that *are* here that cannot be explained, such as UFOs and ghosts.

I think that I believe in the BF species due to the fact that I do know (*for myself, not trying to ask anyone else to believe*)that the world has more to offer than we can see with our eyes, some paranormal events are visible, but others aren't.

This may be why I believe, plus all of the witnesses, such as soldiers, military,police,and average people everywhere who have seen this creature.

There is too much smoke for there not to be some sort of unknown creature causing the fire,leading to the smoke.

I have one image in my head that I can't get rid off.

It was a police detective in the wooded area holding his large handgun weapon in his *Shaking Hand* as he told his story of his encounter where his encounter had happened, and they heard noises in the woods near them, and had rocks thrown at them.

The 2 police detectives were terrified, IMHO, because their hands were shaking, they were both trembling, and watching the woods as they asked to leave the area.

UnknownHairy said:

I have experienced much more since then and know much more than I tell. I leave you with the question that came to my mind at that moment. All the other stuff is probably left to a special forum and not this one. This forum is a skeptic's forum and for those who demand evidence.

Susi says:

There are skeptics here, but there are also believers who post here, and share their encounters with the rest of us.

I am trying to remember the TV shows name and channel where I saw this 2 hour, or 90 minute BF program where the policemen had their encounter while they were camping IIRC..I'm pretty sure the program was based in Oklahoma, and I think it may have been on the Sci-Fi Channel.

Could someone post the name of the program and the channel for me here,please?

Thanks and Hugs for your assistance..

Edited April 7, 2011 by Susiq2