Campsite Destroyed

[Guest]

@ ItsAsquatch - Well that’s an idea. He doesn’t look like a Bigfoot researcher and that should make the top of the list of criteria one must meet to authenticate their claims excellent idea!  

 

@ Diana S –  If I understand you correctly scrutiny and questioning is expected and typical even necessary in certain professional fields such as mental health and health care but not desired in this field?

 

@ UPS – I read through your entire comments and agree with your last sentence. We can wish and wonder and turn it over yet still no closer to the truth than we were when we first started. Barring any new revelations may or may surface it would be a very long time before we see anything coming close to this. I read and watched the responses very closely and I still maintain whatever occurred wasn’t supposed to be seen and some sort of damage control had to go through some extraordinary steps to tamp down the questions and choke it off quickly.    

[LeafTalker]

Gumshoeye, your steadfast refusal to rush to judgment is truly awe-inspiring to me. I admire it more than I can say. Equally remarkable is your ability to see what's important and what's not, and to explain patiently, over and over, the difference between the two. 

 

And Diana, you're a wonderful addition to the forum. I have huge admiration for you, as well. Rock on!

[Guest]

Haha gum i knew someone would say that...

[Guest]

Some continue to approach the details as presented by Garrett as fact, when to me these details seem to be at the very crux of the matter.  Some even seem to be adding details in a very dramatic fashion.  

 

The facts, as I see them, are that we have two videos of a possible campsite in the woods.  Period.  Everything else has either been told to us or is a guess.  We have no idea who was at the camp or even if it was a real camp.  As has been stated, it is pretty "bare bones" and could have easily been staged.  I think the debate of the facts, be they known (such as a tent is torn down in the video), or a logical guess (such as the camp appears in disarray in the video so there was likely a tussle or hurried departure), is healthy. 

 

I appreciate many of the opinions given here.

[Guest]

As to the question of "policing" our own, I believe it's mandatory.  We don't want to discourage discussion and information sharing, but self-inspection is needed in almost every industry.  If those interested in Sasquatch accepted every report and story as gospel, we'd look like fools.  Plus, who better to evaluate the information than other enthusiasts.  This is especially true in a field where abuse (hoaxing) is rampant.  IMHO, it's also human nature to question.  What's important is to be sure we don't allow our prejudices to interfere with reason and open mindedness.      

[Guest]

Gumshoeye, your steadfast refusal to rush to judgment is truly awe-inspiring to me. I admire it more than I can say. Equally remarkable is your ability to see what's important and what's not, and to explain patiently, over and over, the difference between the two. 

 

And Diana, you're a wonderful addition to the forum. I have huge admiration for you, as well. Rock on!

 

 

 

 

@ Leaf talker - Thanks for the wonderful compliment Leaf Talker, don’t cut yourself short either. Truth is when it comes to handing out compliments you surely deserve more. Imagine doing that for 25 years under a little different circumstances ...  I agree Diana S is a good addition to the forum and she reminds me so much of our new moderator so thumbs up and good call!

 

Haha gum i knew someone would say that...

 

@ ItsASquatch –  Lol … You have a good sense of humor too, I like that because it was timely and that’s always welcome change. I am glad you found some humor in that, I knew you would.

 

Edited May 10, 2015 by Gumshoeye

[Guest]

Yeah you cant always judge a book by its cover i know..

[Guest]

@Johnny G - Good expression and ideas. Especially your stated stand, “What's important is to be sure we don't allow our prejudices to interfere with reason and open mindedness. If those interested in Sasquatch accepted every report and story as gospel, we'd look like fxxls.†We already are by the majority in public and skeptics and yet, I think our own self introspection can be overdone like self-immolation and that can be equally destructive. I agree though… stay curious but be fair. Everything's relative, and just because we can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't (or didn't) exist.  Just my humble opinion.

Edited May 11, 2015 by Gumshoeye

[ShadowBorn]

This whole mess with the camp site just does not scream Bigfoot to me. There are things there that just do not fit with me well and that is with the creatures. Like the tree damage, how would have he known about the tree formations being new. Unless he was there before and seen that there was never no tree formation in the first place. By him saying that the tree formations are new, he is stating is own interpretation of the seen.

 

Those tree formations just do not look like they were done by Bigfoot. I am sorry but those formations are weather related and not Bigfoot. But again, as I have said "this is only my opinion" I really do not believe that Bigfoot had anything to do with this camp site.    

[Guest]

The problem I see with it is that it was dark, very dark. The lighting was poor and we were only seeing an eagle eye’s view of what was illuminated from a split second hand vantage point of our homes.

 

I noticed the camera bouncing around quite a bit and not something I would quickly associate with premeditated hoaxing. I listened to the voices paying particular attention voice intonation and for excited utterances and there were several. The quick sweeping jerking motion of the camera by the operator only added to the difficulty but it seemed to be more typical of someone under stress even frightened not scripted.  

 

To suggest that a tree or stick formations were recent or old, I don’t know how anyone viewing the video could make that determination do you? I’m just asking, because you may well be very correct. Is it completely unremarkable to consider if they were familiar with area which I believe was considered very remote and three miles in, wouldn’t they naturally be acutely aware of their surroundings and notice any obvious changes or differences?

Edited May 11, 2015 by Gumshoeye

[Guest diana swampbooger]

In my opinion, Bob's voice has an escalatingly stressed quality & he's a researcher who's had multiple encounters with boogers in this area. 

 

I noticed he did not call Travis' attention to the body in the tree. I can only surmise he did not want Travis to have that experience & rightly so.

[BigTreeWalker]

I did get out of the videos that Garrett was somewhat familiar with the area and it was the reason he and his son were there, to do some research in the area. So we can give him that.

Two points keep coming up and I would like to suggest another possibile senerio. If we give him the benefit of the doubt that he did call the authorities; it is possible the NFS or the sheriff already knew about the wild party and had asked the participants to vacate the area. This being the reason for no response to Garrett's call.

Second, it was claimed the area was cleaned up. I submit that if the NFS knew about the mess, they cleaned it up. That would have just meant picking up the burnt tent and garbage. I have seen them clean up sites like that before. It is part of their job. It has already been admitted here that there was probably no sign of blood or bodies. We don't know how extensive the cleanup operation was as there doesn't seem to be any after cleanup videos.

With this scenario no government cover-up or conspiracy is required.

In the PNW, Weyerhaeuser has locked up the woods to camping due to dumping, vandalism, and campfires; the very thing that appears to have occurred at this campsite.

[Guest ChasingRabbits]

As I've written before, I think the concept of Big Foot muddies the Bob Garrett case. Regardless of whether or not it was a bunch of drunks or a family that just left and a non-BigFoot animal destroyed the camp, if Garrett called 911 to report it, law enforcement should have responded that night. Period. Law enforcement blowing it off until the morning is a blatant sign of incompetency and should result in these public servants losing their jobs, their pensions and other employment benefits.

I did get out of the videos that Garrett was somewhat familiar with the area and it was the reason he and his son were there, to do some research in the area. So we can give him that.

Two points keep coming up and I would like to suggest another possibile senerio. If we give him the benefit of the doubt that he did call the authorities; it is possible the NFS or the sheriff already knew about the wild party and had asked the participants to vacate the area. This being the reason for no response to Garrett's call.

Second, it was claimed the area was cleaned up. I submit that if the NFS knew about the mess, they cleaned it up. That would have just meant picking up the burnt tent and garbage. I have seen them clean up sites like that before. It is part of their job. It has already been admitted here that there was probably no sign of blood or bodies. We don't know how extensive the cleanup operation was as there doesn't seem to be any after cleanup videos.

With this scenario no government cover-up or conspiracy is required.

In the PNW, Weyerhaeuser has locked up the woods to camping due to dumping, vandalism, and campfires; the very thing that appears to have occurred at this campsite.

 

I've called the cops on neighbors continuing a noisy party until well past midnight (yeah, I'm one of those neighbors!) Typically, I'm told that there have already been other complaints and they are aware of it.

 

But this is where I think Garrett dropped the ball. He claimed that he waited a few hours and no law enforcement showed up. At which point, he should have called 911 again and reported that the cops haven't showed up yet and it's been whatever amount of time since his initial call. But he didn't CYA.

[Guest]

@ Big Tree Walker - Nothing I write is intended to sway or change minds rather my hope is that it will shape and invoke opinion and thoughtfulness that inspires others to think outside their comfort zone. While for some they’re very well may be no air of mystery and no suspicion of scandal however, for me there is indeed   example   after example of such wanton and wayward unanswered questions. Therefore as we discuss the campsite destruction the corollary of the event is a patchwork of ideas and theories that may or may not seem reasonable.

 

Point# 1 

Big Ticket National Preserve encompassed by five separate local county jurisdictions everyone has denied any involvement or knowledge of 911 calls on that specific date as I understand it.  Experience tells me there is rampant abuse of the 911 system and you don’t need to take my word for it, ask anyone who has ever dispatched. Dispatchers receive everything running the gamut from lonely females seeking companions to demands to for police to bring them some water to a thirsty homeowner or to flush a toilet or even move a refrigerator so they clean behind it. The notion that a drunken out of control beer fight doesn’t get noticed especially when someone is injured raises a suspicious eyebrow.  

 

Point# 2 

As I understand it, the center of the camp ground destruction or the site is thick with growth very remote and isolated, maybe even around a bend near a dead road not exactly considered a post card show piece of scenery that anyone would concern themselves with because its remoteness.

 

Point# 3 

The central question to be examined in this point is If the campsite destruction was in such a state of disarray and a mess as described on video why would anyone be concerned with cleaning and raking a place so remote and so quickly when garbage barrels and toilet facilities are usually the last items to be cleaned in parks that are highly used and visible to public eye?

 

Point# 4 

Property crimes can be classified as destruction of property or vandalism and considered to be the lowest of order and the least solvable crimes on an ascending ladder of crimes in American society.  I would venture to say vandalism of property is pretty common in our parks everywhere so why would this particular event be exceptional?

 

People crimes or Crimes against persons are probably the highest among the priority rung of the crime ladder for obvious reasons. Something doesn't connect here.

 

 

Let’s remove the element of government cover-up out of the equation because we all know that’s too much to suggest, although we see it anytime we read news, we hear about it when we listen and millions feel it in the real world out here. On the contrary, without applying the word term government cover-up let me tip toe off topic for the purpose of sharing two brief anecdotal examples of cleaning up which may or may not here and then we’ll return back.

 

Cleaning Up:

 

Example 1 - There was an individual making the talk show circuit several years back who identified his former employer as an international investigation organization looking into white slavery porno sort of slime around the world.  He was an author or had a ghost writer transcribe a book detailing his experiences within the organization as I recall. This group acting under international law would go out across the globe ferreting out fugitives most of them of the worse order. His assignment at the time was the burgeoning white slavery trade since it was interwoven with illicit porn. According to him on occasion when directed, a team of professionals would go out and locate the world fugitive, the target while a second team would go in not to arrest but to dispatch him period. A third team would sweep in and sole job assignment was to sanitize the scene period. To the public eye nothing occurred, and no trace of the errant individual was ever heard of or spoken of again. It was as though the individual never existed but he was never again involved in the slave trade again either.       

 

Example 2 - A while back we return to the scene of where we encountered some things, the season was summer extremely hot and inside the woods was so mosquito and bug infested it had me complaining the whole day as I went through two cans of Off repellant spray. At the scene there was large nest shell of sticks much like a honeycomb with one large entry way and no exit. There was a large fallen tree and a tall tripod tepee structure nearby.

 

It took some coaxing but we returned to the same location less than a year later and everything was gone but for the some small wood chips on neatly raked foliage, you wouldn’t know it was the same the site. It was completely altered.     

Edited May 11, 2015 by Gumshoeye

[Guest]

@ Chasing Rabbits – You hit on some points that I discussed succinctly! Good for you and glad to see you back. Mine was a very long reply to BTW, it took a few minutes to compose, edit and set the font size correctly that was acceptable with the forum page.