Rockape Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 People deserve protection as well LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafTalker Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 From whom, Rockape? Other people? I know this is a hard concept for many, but it's really simple: Stop murdering your own kind -- show respect for your own kind -- and maybe another type of human will want to show its face to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockape Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) Well, LT, I agree completely but the human race has been trying to stop that since the beginning of time. Laws are what protect us and helps at least keep it down. That's about the best we can do and there needs to be laws applied to the protection of Bigfoot people. We have to prove to the world they are actually there first though. I believe you need to give that some thought. Perhaps discuss it with your bigfoot people, make them understand they have friends who want to help. Tell them about the worldwide uproar over the Lion being killed. If they understand this and agree surely they would volunteer a little hair and saliva. Edited August 10, 2015 by Rockape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafTalker Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If you think that's the best we can do, you're not thinking hard enough (and you're certainly not someone anyone would repose their trust in). You want their blood and saliva to guarantee something you can't even provide for yourself. Your laws don't keep people from being killed in the streets. They see this, and they laugh that someone thinks he could somehow prevent the same things from happening to them, if only that someone knew the ph balance of their saliva. Well, good job, people. We've gone way beyond the original question here, which was answered a long time ago. The hairy people are not the enemy. Be respectful in the woods and in the world, and you'll live to have many days to experience more and more out there. Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockape Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 There is good and bad in all creatures of this earth, not just man. If the BF people have risen above this, all the more reason for at least one to show himself to us and teach us their way. If they know how they need to guide us. Please discuss this with them. If they say no, that's their prerogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChasingRabbits Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 There is good and bad in all creatures of this earth, not just man. If the BF people have risen above this, all the more reason for at least one to show himself to us and teach us their way. If they know how they need to guide us. Please discuss this with them. If they say no, that's their prerogative. But would it be in their best interest to "civilize" Homo sapien sapien? Or would it be in their best interest for H. sapien to kill each other off and/or weaken the species enough so that the BF become the dominant species? I've always thought that the biggest mistake the Native Americans made when they first encountered Europeans was to help them by teaching them how to survive in the New World. Had they allowed those Europeans to starve or killed them, they would have most likely retained control over this land and/or the socio-political structure would have been much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafTalker Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Chasing Rabbits, the hairy people don't want to dominate anybody. They want peace. Peace is in their best interest, as it is in ours. The only difference between us and them is that they know this, and we don't. They are waiting for us to figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChasingRabbits Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Chasing Rabbits, the hairy people don't want to dominate anybody. They want peace. Peace is in their best interest, as it is in ours. The only difference between us and them is that they know this, and we don't. They are waiting for us to figure this out. If they define peace as being left alone (in the sense that no one bothers them and they are allowed to live with minimal interference from other peoples), then it would be in their best interest if pugnacious species are subdued or eliminated, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafTalker Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Good question, but that's not how the mind of an enlightened being works. Enlightened peoples don't wish for the elimination of other peoples; they simply wish for peace. The BF know that we have the capacity to be peaceful; we just haven't figured out how to achieve peace yet. You don't kill a child because it hasn't learned how to function as an adult. You let the child grow up and become the adult you can connect to on an adult level. They are waiting for us to grow up. Now, there is a part of the analogy (to children) that doesn't work perfectly, and that part is this: Unlike actual children, we don't need "teaching". We actually have all the answers within ourselves; and until we can recognize what we already have within us, no amount of outside influence is going to change anything. All of us have free will. That includes the freedom to be awful, terrible, lousy people. That is a genuine, real choice, and no enlightened person takes that choice away from another being. So the BF won't "teach" us something we haven't already figured out ourselves, because that would be interference. Does that mean we're stuck in the place we currently find ourselves? No. People who choose peace for themselves show others what that choice looks like, and it's contagious in that way. It's by example, not by "teaching", that the people around us start to feel the stirrings of their own hearts, their own attraction to peace and kindness. In that way, Rockape is right. It IS a good thing that the world was upset by the killing of that lion. The only problem is, we still have a culture that values money above all else. Rich people just buy their way around the "rules". Sure, American Airlines may not wish to ship dead animals back to the rich person's home anymore; but the rich person just buys his own plane to do the shipping, and nothing changes. Again, the BF know this is how things work, so I'm sure they're happy to see how we responded to the killing of that lion, but they're waiting for the changes in us to take root such that there won't be "escape clauses" for "people of means" anymore. THEN we'll really have something. There are currently lots of Homo Sapiens Sapiens out there, shining away as examples of how to rethink the things we've been taught by other humans. And they're doing a darn good job. So basically, we're on track to be the kind of people the BF might want to appear to someday. It's always hard to predict the pace of change, but it does seem to be accelerating. (Again, I think Rockape is right to feel encouraged by the lion story.) So be patient, shine away, and know that you, at least -- if not your next door neighbor -- might be privileged to see or connect with a BF before you leave this planet (if that connection hasn't happened already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Hello All ....The BF know that we have the capacity to be peaceful....They are waiting for us to grow up..... A little to anthropomorphic for my taste. In other words why wouldn't cats, dogs, gorillas, horses, giraffes, dolphins, bears....have that same take on Humans? Maybe they do? Proving it would be tough though. It comes down to whether or not one wishes to believe such things IMO. Personally I do not. Edited August 11, 2015 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafTalker Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Hello LeafTalker, My turn to thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChasingRabbits Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Good question, but that's not how the mind of an enlightened being works. Enlightened peoples don't wish for the elimination of other peoples; they simply wish for peace. The BF know that we have the capacity to be peaceful; we just haven't figured out how to achieve peace yet. You don't kill a child because it hasn't learned how to function as an adult. You let the child grow up and become the adult you can connect to on an adult level. They are waiting for us to grow up. Now, there is a part of the analogy (to children) that doesn't work perfectly, and that part is this: Unlike actual children, we don't need "teaching". We actually have all the answers within ourselves; and until we can recognize what we already have within us, no amount of outside influence is going to change anything. All of us have free will. That includes the freedom to be awful, terrible, lousy people. That is a genuine, real choice, and no enlightened person takes that choice away from another being. So the BF won't "teach" us something we haven't already figured out ourselves, because that would be interference. Does that mean we're stuck in the place we currently find ourselves? No. People who choose peace for themselves show others what that choice looks like, and it's contagious in that way. It's by example, not by "teaching", that the people around us start to feel the stirrings of their own hearts, their own attraction to peace and kindness. In that way, Rockape is right. It IS a good thing that the world was upset by the killing of that lion. The only problem is, we still have a culture that values money above all else. Rich people just buy their way around the "rules". Sure, American Airlines may not wish to ship dead animals back to the rich person's home anymore; but the rich person just buys his own plane to do the shipping, and nothing changes. Again, the BF know this is how things work, so I'm sure they're happy to see how we responded to the killing of that lion, but they're waiting for the changes in us to take root such that there won't be "escape clauses" for "people of means" anymore. THEN we'll really have something. There are currently lots of Homo Sapiens Sapiens out there, shining away as examples of how to rethink the things we've been taught by other humans. And they're doing a darn good job. So basically, we're on track to be the kind of people the BF might want to appear to someday. It's always hard to predict the pace of change, but it does seem to be accelerating. (Again, I think Rockape is right to feel encouraged by the lion story.) So be patient, shine away, and know that you, at least -- if not your next door neighbor -- might be privileged to see or connect with a BF before you leave this planet (if that connection hasn't happened already). If they were really as enlightened as you say, they would have the compassion to help us to find that path to enlightenment, not follow the Federation's Prime Directive. Edited August 11, 2015 by ChasingRabbits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafTalker Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) To Hiflier: To ChasingRabbits (who said, "If they were really as enlightened as you say, they would have the compassion to help us to find that path to enlightenment, not follow the Federation's Prime Directive.") Not a trekkie, so don't know what you're saying (if that's a Star Trek reference); but as a person who seems interested in receiving (and giving?) compassion, you may have noticed that, from a certain perspective, the BF do the best they can. Have you noticed how many people here have had good experiences with the BF people, and speak up about them as often as they can? I don't want to name names, because I'll inevitably leave someone out -- but surely you've read those posts? Maybe mine, even? What do you think those posts -- posts about peaceful, wonderful, fun interactions with BF people -- are about? What do you think those experiences are about? Edited August 11, 2015 by LeafTalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Hello LeafTalker, Assuming Sasquatch is indeed a reality there is an element left unaddressed in the dialogue. It is the nature of BF as an apex creature. Even at two or three hundred pounds a creature that size need nutrition. A lot of nutrition. Gifting food may be sweet but it will not sustain the mass of a creature of that size-with family? Staying in a given area translates into that there's enough consumable material to support one or several such creatures for a given length of time. If not they will leave, because they have to. Maybe, and if it's safe to do so without endangering their young. That said it is estimated that a large bear needs about 7,000 calories a day to sustain itself. In the months leading up to hibernation up 20,000 calories a day has been proposed. Since believers in BF existence don't think the animal (we are animals too) hibernates then the 6-7,000 calorie diet stands as a daily necessity. The reports of deer and elk being killed or carried off along with hogs, cows, and the killing of dogs, the eating of rodents etc. tells me that the peaceful lives of those creatures is in second place to a BF's own existence (so much for the peaceful existence of those creatures). Say what you will regarding the wonderful relationships you enjoy but my guess is that should things in their environment alter as far as the food supply is concerned two things may occur: They move on or, if they decide to stay, then Humans and their animals WILL be at risk. So be cautious. I wouldn't trust that they would turn on someone else simply because you and they may have some kind of understanding. For all you know it truly could be a one way street if hunger takes over. You couldn't possibly feed them enough to keep them away from you or your family and pets. Edited August 11, 2015 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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