norseman Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) The ABC story link says Nature magazine? The story is coming from researchers on Flores Island. And I have no reason to doubt it. How is it that you believe Melba Ketchum that publishes her own paper from her own website? But not ABC news about this story? It doesnt make any sense! Edited April 7, 2016 by norseman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cryptic Megafauna Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 So Flo literally was subject to flooding in Flores, how quaint. Cool arguments on the horizon. And the Ebb and Flo fossils have the consistency of wet cardboard, yuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 The ABC story link says Nature magazine? The story is coming from researchers on Flores Island. And I have no reason to doubt it. How is it that you believe Melba Ketchum that publishes her own paper from her own website? But not ABC news about this story? It doesnt make any sense! Melba Ketchum does not own the company that published her paper, a wealthy person in California does. IIRC, the media (Fox, CNN) carried the Rick Dyer/Tom Biscardi BF in a freezer fiasco as a legit story, prior to the freezer thawing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 The ABC story link says Nature magazine? The story is coming from researchers on Flores Island. And I have no reason to doubt it. How is it that you believe Melba Ketchum that publishes her own paper from her own website? But not ABC news about this story? It doesnt make any sense! Melba Ketchum does not own the company that published her paper, a wealthy person in California does. IIRC, the media (Fox, CNN) carried the Rick Dyer/Tom Biscardi BF in a freezer fiasco as a legit story, prior to the freezer thawing. All I'm saying is just because it gets picked up on the wire services doesn't necessarily make it accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share Posted April 7, 2016 The ABC story link says Nature magazine? The story is coming from researchers on Flores Island. And I have no reason to doubt it. How is it that you believe Melba Ketchum that publishes her own paper from her own website? But not ABC news about this story? It doesnt make any sense! Melba Ketchum does not own the company that published her paper, a wealthy person in California does. IIRC, the media (Fox, CNN) carried the Rick Dyer/Tom Biscardi BF in a freezer fiasco as a legit story, prior to the freezer thawing. She owns the website! Regarding the origins of DeNovo, Ketchum said on the day of the paper reÂlease that an unnamed journal had accepted the paper after peer review was completed, but their lawyers advised them not to publish due to the disreputable topic. Instead of continuing to shop the paper to other sources, she decided to acquire the rights to this unnamed journal,50 suspected to be the Journal of AdÂvanced MultiÂdisciplinary Exploration in Zoology. Looking into the history of that journal, investigators found it was registered under Ketchum’s name on January 9, 2013. This led to serious ethical questions about self-publishing.50 The DeNovo website was created on FebruÂary 4, 2013, just nine days prior to the release of the paper. Ketchum claims to have documentation of the prior reviews and from the acquisition of the new journal. These, and any information on which journals previously rejected the paper, have not yet been released. http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/the_ketchum_project_what_to_believe_about_bigfoot_dna_science And the media outlets just report news when Biscardis hoax fell apart? They reported thst as well. The hobbit and its fossils are NOT being handled by Tom Biscardi. Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 IIRC, the media (Fox, CNN) carried the Rick Dyer/Tom Biscardi BF in a freezer fiasco as a legit story, prior to the freezer thawing. Um, no. It was carried very tongue-in-cheek, not serious in any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WesT Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Here's a very interesting article about the Hobbit. The Hobbit gets a little older, and science a little wiser. The real debate now is what linage it belongs to. And judging by the fleshed out skull, it isn't a deformed human like some have postulated. The author of the article notes the similarities between the Hobbit and Australopithecines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share Posted April 8, 2016 Very good article. I think that this new revelation is damning for the Homo Bigfoot crowd. We have a very archaic Homo species that probably should not be in the our genus......building boats and sophisticated stone tools!? What is wrong with this picture? If the Hobbit is more like Lucy? It's mind boggling to think about how many waves of Hominids left Africa and for much longer than we thought. I think science felt compelled to give the hobbit the distinction of belonging to the genus Homo simply because they are found so far from Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 The ABC story link says Nature magazine? The story is coming from researchers on Flores Island. And I have no reason to doubt it. How is it that you believe Melba Ketchum that publishes her own paper from her own website? But not ABC news about this story? It doesnt make any sense! Melba Ketchum does not own the company that published her paper, a wealthy person in California does. IIRC, the media (Fox, CNN) carried the Rick Dyer/Tom Biscardi BF in a freezer fiasco as a legit story, prior to the freezer thawing. She owns the website! Regarding the origins of DeNovo, Ketchum said on the day of the paper reÂlease that an unnamed journal had accepted the paper after peer review was completed, but their lawyers advised them not to publish due to the disreputable topic. Instead of continuing to shop the paper to other sources, she decided to acquire the rights to this unnamed journal,50 suspected to be the Journal of AdÂvanced MultiÂdisciplinary Exploration in Zoology. Looking into the history of that journal, investigators found it was registered under Ketchum’s name on January 9, 2013. This led to serious ethical questions about self-publishing.50 The DeNovo website was created on FebruÂary 4, 2013, just nine days prior to the release of the paper. Ketchum claims to have documentation of the prior reviews and from the acquisition of the new journal. These, and any information on which journals previously rejected the paper, have not yet been released. http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/the_ketchum_project_what_to_believe_about_bigfoot_dna_science And the media outlets just report news when Biscardis hoax fell apart? They reported thst as well. The hobbit and its fossils are NOT being handled by Tom Biscardi. Nice try. Who paid for the DeNovo publishing company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share Posted April 8, 2016 It is registered in her name. But how is this relevant? Your just attempting to muddy the waters again. How the Hobbit was presented to science was the right way. How Ketchum's paper was presented to science was the wrong way. End of story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarArcher Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Well. Homo Erectus I saw the other day lived as recently as 35,000-50,000 years ago. They keep moving it up. If that's the last fossil evidence, then that doesn't mean that's when they died off. Just in case, keep your eyes peeled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 ^^^ That's the thing about "science", it is often a mercurical result as we find out what was "known" yesterday is replaced by what is "known" today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share Posted April 8, 2016 ^^^^^Thats the best part about it. As new data is presented it changes its position to reflect it. Its auto correcting unlike a lot of other human endeavors. Its absolutely a good thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Sometimes, the "new data" is so far outside the current paradigm of scientific thought, it short circuits practioners to the point they cry foul and scream heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share Posted April 8, 2016 In English......please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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