Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Yah, Sasquatch ain't gonna be happy when the Vet bill for the paternity testing comes due. That's for sure! It's momma who's gonna be the least happy - she asked "Who's the daddy", and Melba replied "I haven't a clue. None of the usual bunch!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icicle Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 He desparaged Igor for posting his info, calls the publicist, talks to her at length, and all he can relate is that she talks to bigfoot. Do you think he would have told us all what Journal and publish date if he got those answers? You don't see his play here? I don't know the first thing about Meldrum, but I recognise the tactic. He got into some kind of an argument that descended into sarcasm with the publicist I should think, and reported the very end of it. Might have gone something like this.. "What do you mean you have Bigfoot's welfare in mind and won't give me all the info I'm entitled to? I'm Jeff Meldrum so you have to. Oh, Bigfoot is better off without me, is he? Did he say that? How's he gonna be doing with every hack in creation beating a path to his hideout, you ever think about that? Oh, just fine about it all.." That is one angry man. Dunno what he's angry about, but I'm pretty sure he's angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasfooty Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Maybe he's angry because he thinks it may interfere with the funding for his upcoming balloon ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) What I noticed (besides tone) in Dr. Meldrum's FB post was the claim this person has "no evidence." Is that true? I read an article someone posted here that said she has casts. I struggle with these divisions in the "community" b/c it seems to me the classic BF hunter types haven't any more than that. Blobsquatches, some FLIR, some tantalizing bad trail cams bits and pieces, tracks, stick structures (what are those? j/k but seriously!) and so on..and tada....physical evidence..hair or some trace of the being. I assume the person has a sample in the study, but I don't know. So, what is it that these "habituators" are doing that inspires such venom Claiming more, claiming a Psychic Bigfoot? Ok, I get that and it is NOT anything we can shove into Scientific Method, but it doesn't make their claims patently false, or their collected evidence any less reliable than a guy who hunts and collects some tracks and relates stories of zappings or thrown rocks or vanishing BFs in moonless nights. I know some who have similar evidence but their "tall tales" are radically different than some others in the same area with different methods..(and yet accepted as inherently more reliable?) You get the data you seek if your methods are excluding other data (reactions by BF's)...isn't that possible? My personal witness, and I shared this liberally at the time and since, of the "Whistle Serenade" (see Habituating Thread) informed me that BFs have an ability only seen in humans among primates...an ability to whistle like nobody's business..and mimic. So, for me it was a push to the genus Homo early. A being that leaves tracks not unlike mine (except big and they also seemed more flexible in the middle. often leaving soil higher in a band in the middle...the mid tarsal thing) and is bipedal, has a general shape not unlike ours, and a face (across the board witness reports) and hands similar to ours (I have a bad video, but it has enough - also field evidence..they certainly can grasp well and seem to have a thumb much further forward than apes) and has this ability to whistle that no ape has, but humans do have...and seemed to respond directly to invited interactions appropriately, in that BF reason more like us than most apes, or certainly beasts (restraint, calculating, etc and also identified in NA oral tradition). I have similar evidence to many "hunter" types and also stories that are similar to "habituator" types...and I don't really find conflict in my data with that...just the way it is....the are fairly complex beings! My evidence (and everyone else's I have seen) does not support what we are saying (hunter or habituator, ape or human) ..b/c we can't even prove they exist...so...seems this "evidence" thing is a double edge sword and one should be careful IMO of disparaging the lack thereof by anyone by any method! Unless of course, we think Dr. Meldrum is required to validate all evidence, and since he is the only employed academic in an appropriate field...it would be a nice seal of approval (think of the Skookum cast) . So are we in a pickle, is evidence from habituators like track casts not worthy if accompanied by witness accounts not in keeping with more conventional witness accounts (what are those anyway? LOL) ? That would give a skewed picture of the data available to consider. I would prefer Dr. Meldrum keep an open mind. There are many who start in a conventional mindset (in my case "ape" - I had read a few books I though well researched) and end up with remarkably different conclusions....so, we'll see I guess, eventually..or not! They are wiley! p.s. from the comments, I guess also that the PR person gave that sentence as sarcasm ..and reported back as a quote misses that tone, in fact we are discussing that person's comments via hearsay .and not admissible as testimony in court! I imagine Dr. Meldrum, if pressed, would confess he thought she was being sarcastic. I imagine those who do feel they are receiving psychic messages from BF and are willing to share them eventually become somewhat defensive...eventually. Edited November 27, 2012 by apehuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I am sure Dr Meldrum is worthy of his place in the Bigfoot world, but he rubs me the wrong way, has anyone seen his trailer for his Tv station? Ok, I am not going to say more ; } Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I see a scientist who made an entirely professional "wait and see" statement about the study and who has expressed a willingness to consider it's data and modify his own position if it holds up. What more do you want from the man? If it was entirely a wait and see intent, then he would also hold his tongue, If you can't say something positive, maybe he shouldn't say anything at all and let things take their coarse. ETA* If by "play" (or earlier "agenda") you are saying his criticisms of how the paper has been handled to date suggest he's trash-talking Ketchum to reduce her support (and implicitly raise the support for Sykes/Satori), I'd like to know what basis you have for stating that. They're pretty much spot on, and nothing that hasn't already been said. Truth is this study has too many people in the know and in the loop when it is press release time and time for publication. The slightest communication getting misread or translated can cause missteps. It can be more than one person can control, so Sykes is wise to keep everyone in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) "I don't know the first thing about Meldrum, but I recognise the tactic." "Maybe he's angry because he thinks it may interfere with the funding for his upcoming balloon ride." Maybe people are jumping to conclusions. Edited November 27, 2012 by Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) What is with all the Meldrum bashing all of a sudden? Is Camp Ketchum feeling emboldened by recent developments and unleashing a snark campaign against her primary competitor? Meldrum has put as much if not more time and effort in on BF as she has. To date, he has had a competing theory about BF, but has remained open-minded and willing to listen. And he's being repaid with condescension and scorn from Ketchum supporters. I submit that is what is unbecoming and unprofessional, not criticizing wacky PR people and people who obviously jailbroke what was supposed to be embargoed information. Edited November 27, 2012 by See-Te-Cah NC Staff edit to remove comment unnecessary content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) I just listened to Cliff Barackman talking about the Ketchum DNA study and he was openminded, I believe he said he found it encouraging but he wanted to see the results. Go Cliff! 2 points for showing some respect Edit to say that I am not sure I am bashing Meldrum, but I did not like his condescending, scolding tone, it is not the first time I have heard it. Edited November 27, 2012 by VioletX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Maybe he's angry because he thinks it may interfere with the funding for his upcoming balloon ride. Why would it? His survey project is certainly a valid way to attempt a population census and validation of BF's existence would only make getting funding easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Here are a couple of articles pertaining to Meldrum's trip to Russia and Robin Lynne. http://doubtfulnews.com/2011/10/american-bigfoot-scientists-and-researchers-felt-hoodwinked-by-russian-yeti-event/ http://news.discovery.com/human/bigfoot-sightings-michigan-russia-111013.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasfooty Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Well, Mulder, it was HE that started this particular little bashing round, by making snarky comments about Dr. K's publicist on Facebook. I didn't hear anybody bashing him before that, but maybe you saw something I didn't see. Hopefully, it won't interfere with his balloon project. But I'm sure he was hoping to be the first one to announce "I FOUND BIGFOOT", & now that won't happen. It's gotta sting a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) I think Ketchum probably has the goods, but the way it's been released is causing huge waves. And I think that's on purpose. Who has a vested interest in this species NOT being documented? Nearly everyone except us. That's a lot to go up against. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want but money rules the world and I bet those with money and power are not very happy with this potential information. What better way to disparage it than to attack the scientist doing the work by quoting, pick at the wording of the press release, hire a PR person to muddy the waters, ruffle the feathers of the other BF big-wigs, post the info only on small media/paranormal channels and misquote her statements. Edited November 27, 2012 by madison5716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Well, Mulder, it was HE that started this particular little bashing round, by making snarky comments about Dr. K's publicist on Facebook. Yes, about the publicist and publicity, not about the science of the study. Hopefully, it won't interfere with his balloon project. But I'm sure he was hoping to be the first one to announce "I FOUND BIGFOOT", & now that won't happen.It's gotta sting a little. And again with the attack, albeit a milder one. Meldrum. Is. NOT. The. Enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) No, Dr. Meldrum is not the enemy, even if he does seem to think BF is a undiscovered species of great ape. If the Ketchum report does come out with the goods, he's not the only one who is going to have to readjust their thinking a bit. It does stretch the mind to consider what she's saying!!! Edited November 27, 2012 by madison5716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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