Justin Smeja Incident?

[Kiwakwe]

1 hour ago, Wooly Booger said:

Telepathy can likely be explained by the use of infrasound by these creatures. A hallucination caused by the reaction of the human mind to a natural phenomena. 

Has there been any verified, peer reviewed study to indicate that infrasound can cause auditory hallucinations relevant to the situation at hand? If I had a vision of a coil spring in a food processor being catapulted into a cauldron at the center of the universe escorted by winged snails I might agree with hallucination…Or maybe I just just couldn’t comprehend the transmitted symbolism:) Couldn’t a telepathic experience be explained, at some point, by an as yet unknown, scientifically verifiable capability latent in humans and the BF? Is that so impossible? Plenty of studies have been done by credible scientists with mixed findings. Are we arrogant enough to say "no way, we know all there is to know about the human condition, its operating system and the world at large"?  This is what I'm referring to by scientism explaining things to fit what is known from an armchair fully removed from the experience without the tiniest bit of investigation, ie credentialed woo.  All we can say here is we don’t know jack about what happened and we currently have no way of studying it as it just went down. That doesn't make it an invalid experience. On the contrary, they should be taken seriously as part of the evidence pool even if it's not the ace put forward first that'll get you credibility.  

This is probably more suited to the paranormal thread which I should catch up on and follow up there with more proselytizing rhetoric on a layman's idea of pure science...

[norseman]

4 hours ago, hiflier said:

We just haven't waited long enough. Have faith.

 Your like a kid throwing a temper tantrum. It’s gets old after awhile.

 

I said everyone should play to their strengths. So you knock on bureaucrats doors. Woolly can dig for bones. I will go hunt. Someone else can go collect hair samples. Whatever.

 

As usual it’s your way or the Highway. Except your Highway blows with the wind. Let me know where to send my eDNA samples Hiflier......🙄

[hiflier]

2 minutes ago, Kiwakwe said:

.....even if it's not the ace put forward first that'll get you credibility.

 

Yeah....where IS that ace, paranormal or not? I mean which comes first? Credibility or the Ace?

[norseman]

Did I NOT collect a bone I found up by Sullivan lake and send it in for study?

 

 

I think I did! I’m only a hairy chested brute SOME of the time yanno?

[hiflier]

1 minute ago, norseman said:

Your like a kid throwing a temper tantrum

 

Cut the crap, Norseman. This is how things typically end up....yep, belittle the poster. That's the way, let the Forum see just how ridiculous I am. I have good arguments and you call 'em tantrums. Grow up and converse like the adult that you are. Or better, how about giving your local F&W a ring and ask them if Bigfoot is real. I'd be curious to see what they say.

[hiflier]

4 minutes ago, norseman said:

Did I NOT collect a bone I found up by Sullivan lake and send it in for study?

 

 

I think I did! I’m only a hairy chested brute SOME of the time yanno?

 

Good point. And I'm only a snippy poster some of the time......have I shown you my DNA kit lately Outa here.

Edited June 15, 2021 by hiflier

[Kiwakwe]

1 minute ago, hiflier said:

 

Yeah....where IS that ace, paranormal or not? I mean which comes first? Credibility or the Ace?

I think credibility come from many places, first off is an integrity of character and method--present at outset ideally!  Second is good evidence--all of it--not hand picked for acceptability. In a thousand years what we now term paranormal may achieve ace status but I'd not play it first hand nowadays. If something strange took place it needs to be noted. I can't fathom why that is seen as a detriment to scientific investigation.

[norseman]

35 minutes ago, hiflier said:

 

Cut the crap, Norseman. This is how things typically end up....yep, belittle the poster. That's the way, let the Forum see just how ridiculous I am. I have good arguments and you call 'em tantrums. Grow up and converse like the adult that you are. Or better, how about giving your local F&W a ring and ask them if Bigfoot is real. I'd be curious to see what they say.

Im not belittling you! Its a honest observation. I held out the olive branch two pages ago!!! You tore it up. You are belittling my contributions to this subject.

 

I’ve got a local guy that has done just that. Would you like to guess the answer?

[norseman]

35 minutes ago, hiflier said:

 

Good point. And I'm only a snippy poster some of the time......have I shown you my DNA kit lately Outa here.

Good for you!!! I hope you and your DNA kit blow lid right off this thing! Honestly! Good luck!

 

 

[Wooly Booger]

38 minutes ago, norseman said:

Did I NOT collect a bone I found up by Sullivan lake and send it in for study?

 

 

I think I did! I’m only a hairy chested brute SOME of the time yanno?

What were the results that came back? 

[NCBFr]

3 hours ago, vinchyfoot said:

 

How does one justify a "Hunter's Field Manual" with no baseline specimen? Its all conjecture.

Not really.  When you have over 1K sightings in BFRO alone you can draw a pretty good picture of the creature.

[norseman]

Just now, Wooly Booger said:

What were the results that came back? 

Sorry. A little clarification. It’s not a bone belonging to a Bigfoot. It’s a ungulate bone that possibly was scavenged by a Bigfoot. Big Tree Walker is a member here who had a bone study that he was studying tooth marks in the bones of ungulates.

 

Mine was broken using a hammer and anvil method. And the bone marrow was removed. It definitely required thumbs. But can never rule out Human.

[BlackRockBigfoot]

43 minutes ago, Kiwakwe said:

Has there been any verified, peer reviewed study to indicate that infrasound can cause auditory hallucinations relevant to the situation at hand? 

The actual studies that involve infrasound show that it may cause feelings of unease, fear, or even nausea.

 

There was a NASA study that looked into vibrations transmitted by a physical medium…and it suggested that those vibrations could possibly affect the fluids of the eyeball and cause visual issues.

 

A group of ghost hunters affiliated with the TAPS guys from SYFY put up a blog post citing the NASA study, and that keeps getting trotted out to explain infrasound as some sort of silver bullet.

 

Heck, Wikipedia even says it…

 

Air is a very inefficient medium for transferring low frequency vibration from a transducer to the human body.^[50] Mechanical connection of the vibration source to the human body, however, provides a potentially dangerous combination. The U.S. space program, worried about the harmful effects of rocket flight on astronauts, ordered vibration tests that used cockpit seats mounted on vibration tables to transfer "brown note" and other frequencies directly to the human subjects. Very high power levels of 160 dB were achieved at frequencies of 2–3 Hz. Test frequencies ranged from 0.5 Hz to 40 Hz. Test subjects suffered motor ataxia, nausea, visual disturbance, degraded task performance and difficulties in communication. These tests are assumed by researchers to be the nucleus of the current urban myth.^[51][52]

 

 

[norseman]

11 minutes ago, BlackRockBigfoot said:

The actual studies that involve infrasound show that it may cause feelings of unease, fear, or even nausea.

 

There was a NASA study that looked into vibrations transmitted by a physical medium…and it suggested that those vibrations could possibly affect the fluids of the eyeball and cause visual issues.

 

A group of ghost hunters affiliated with the TAPS guys from SYFY put up a blog post citing the NASA study, and that keeps getting trotted out to explain infrasound as some sort of silver bullet.

 

Heck, Wikipedia even says it…

 

Air is a very inefficient medium for transferring low frequency vibration from a transducer to the human body.^[50] Mechanical connection of the vibration source to the human body, however, provides a potentially dangerous combination. The U.S. space program, worried about the harmful effects of rocket flight on astronauts, ordered vibration tests that used cockpit seats mounted on vibration tables to transfer "brown note" and other frequencies directly to the human subjects. Very high power levels of 160 dB were achieved at frequencies of 2–3 Hz. Test frequencies ranged from 0.5 Hz to 40 Hz. Test subjects suffered motor ataxia, nausea, visual disturbance, degraded task performance and difficulties in communication. These tests are assumed by researchers to be the nucleus of the current urban myth.^[51][52]

 

 

 

[BlackRockBigfoot]

6 minutes ago, norseman said:

 

I can’t watch it right now, but does it cause visual and audible hallucinations?  If they have proved that infrasound traveling through the air causes those, I will gladly admit that I am wrong.