State of Sasquatch Research

[Annie Nore]

On 4/1/2022 at 5:30 PM, gigantor said:

 

The problem is that social media platforms are not conducive to scientific discussions or data/idea sharing. Let's face it, Facebook is great to keep in touch with your friends and build your acquaintances, but that's about it, that's why it's called social media.

 

You can't have a discussion like we're having now on Twitter or Facebook.

 

That's why the BFF exists.

 

 

The problem is that facebook is out of control. It has moved beyond a social network when government entities and other important organizations are using it to disperse information. I can understand them choosing to do so because that is what the general populace wants. Everything neat and tidy in a format they can understand. People now confuse fact with fiction and do not fact check. I was disgusted when more timely Covid information was on a health department facebook page and not on the website. One could not call because they wanted the lines free. Some must have complained because eventually they posted a link to their facebook page through the website. Unreal!

 

For the record, I am not on facebook and never will be. I also do not use wikipedia as a resource.

 

Other than that, I totally agree.

[bipedalist]

Seems like disinformation is the soup du jour!  Social media at your own risk! Better be doing some alt.reality planning behind the scenes!

[NorthWind]

13 hours ago, Annie Nore said:

 

I am not on facebook and never will be.

Amen, and ditto, Sister.

[Marty]

14 hours ago, Annie Nore said:

Unfortunately, the general populace does not want real science in most areas not just Sasquatch Research. Most of the stuff out there is for entertainment and likes. 

 

See, I think they do, podcasts have shown (especially JRE) that the populace is hungry for in depth conversations on anything, people are naturally curious I just think the powers that be target the lowest denominator and therefore we've conditioned ourselves to think no one actually gives a hoot about this stuff. 

I dunno, I've just always been in the camp that believes you can make is accessible if it's fun to engage with. 

[Marty]

The problem here isn't memes or social media, it's the stigma that follows the Sasquatch topic. It's very real and difficult to fight. Having decent discussions with people not indulged into the actual science of it are hard because the person(s) are turned off from it due to years of social conditioning by the scientific establishment that the subject cannot be real, so any discussion about it is inherently biased towards the skeptic. This ought to be challenged properly by taking the fight to them but so far most attempts are unsuccessful, whether that's cus of ego, dismissal or just outright avoidance. 


 

[BlackRockBigfoot]

18 minutes ago, Marty said:

The problem here isn't memes or social media, it's the stigma that follows the Sasquatch topic. It's very real and difficult to fight. Having decent discussions with people not indulged into the actual science of it are hard because the person(s) are turned off from it due to years of social conditioning by the scientific establishment that the subject cannot be real, so any discussion about it is inherently biased towards the skeptic. This ought to be challenged properly by taking the fight to them but so far most attempts are unsuccessful, whether that's cus of ego, dismissal or just outright avoidance. 


 

Exactly.  Well said.  

[norseman]

19 minutes ago, Marty said:

The problem here isn't memes or social media, it's the stigma that follows the Sasquatch topic. It's very real and difficult to fight. Having decent discussions with people not indulged into the actual science of it are hard because the person(s) are turned off from it due to years of social conditioning by the scientific establishment that the subject cannot be real, so any discussion about it is inherently biased towards the skeptic. This ought to be challenged properly by taking the fight to them but so far most attempts are unsuccessful, whether that's cus of ego, dismissal or just outright avoidance. 


 

And the best way to do that?
 

Is to prove the creature REAL.

[zeebob889]

1 hour ago, Marty said:

The problem here isn't memes or social media, it's the stigma that follows the Sasquatch topic. It's very real and difficult to fight. Having decent discussions with people not indulged into the actual science of it are hard because the person(s) are turned off from it due to years of social conditioning by the scientific establishment that the subject cannot be real, so any discussion about it is inherently biased towards the skeptic. This ought to be challenged properly by taking the fight to them but so far most attempts are unsuccessful, whether that's cus of ego, dismissal or just outright avoidance. 


 

 

As people here mention Facebook etc, as long as the Woo factor is allowed to run rampant there will likely never be any acceptance by the mainstream of the subject.

[MIB]

7 minutes ago, zeebob889 said:

 

As people here mention Facebook etc, as long as the Woo factor is allowed to run rampant there will likely never be any acceptance by the mainstream of the subject.

 

So what do you predict happens when proof of bigfoot turns out to be proof of several things currently considered "woo"?    Y' better have a plan for that on your plate whether you believe in "woo" or not, it would be negligent not to even if it is never needed.

[BlackRockBigfoot]

2 minutes ago, zeebob889 said:

long as the Woo factor is allowed to run rampant there

Allowed?
 

So, what is your plan to stop it?  Letter writing campaign to Zuckerberg explaining that there needs to be censorship in the Bigfoot groups in order advance the subject?  

Who determines what is or isn’t allowed?  You?  
 

The subject of Bigfoot was ridiculed by mainstream society long before social media came along.  You guys thinking that mainstream scientists are being held back from investigating the phenomenon because someone’s crazy aunt puts up a post on some Bigfoot group… I don’t know what to say.  I am starting to get an idea of why the subject hasn’t moved much.  And woo ain’t the problem.

 

I guess that I am the outlier in the Bigfoot research community.  I haven’t had any of the Woo types show up at my house yet to keep my from going out to check my game cams or audio recorders.  No one has forced my to meditate in a forest clearing with a crystal.
 

 I guess that I have slipped under the radar.  

3 minutes ago, MIB said:

 

So what do you predict happens when proof of bigfoot turns out to be proof of several things currently considered "woo"?    Y' better have a plan for that on your plate whether you believe in "woo" or not, it would be negligent not to even if it is never needed.

No, they will just deny it, regardless of the evidence

 

Look at the hardcore UFO skeptics, arguing that a trained and experienced military pilot is not qualified to report what they see.  

[zeebob889]

10 minutes ago, MIB said:

 

So what do you predict happens when proof of bigfoot turns out to be proof of several things currently considered "woo"?    Y' better have a plan for that on your plate whether you believe in "woo" or not, it would be negligent not to even if it is never needed.

 

Fantastic claims > need fantastic proof. Pretty simple. All too often things that are percieved as woo end up being explainable by more mundane answers. When it happens it will maybe be a worry.

[MIB]

7 minutes ago, BlackRockBigfoot said:

Look at the hardcore UFO skeptics, arguing that a trained and experienced military pilot is not qualified to report what they see.

 

Yes.

 

The parallel here is that many of us here are more competent to make field observations than the so called academic experts.   In fact, it may well be that defense of what they see as their turf against us uppity interlopers may have more to do with bigfoot being dismissed .. the true target of their ire may be us, not bigfoot.

 

MIB

[zeebob889]

8 minutes ago, BlackRockBigfoot said:

Allowed?
 

So, what is your plan to stop it?  Letter writing campaign to Zuckerberg explaining that there needs to be censorship in the Bigfoot groups in order advance the subject?  

Who determines what is or isn’t allowed?  You?  
 

The subject of Bigfoot was ridiculed by mainstream society long before social media came along.  You guys thinking that mainstream scientists are being held back from investigating the phenomenon because someone’s crazy aunt puts up a post on some Bigfoot group… I don’t know what to say.  I am starting to get an idea of why the subject hasn’t moved much.  And woo ain’t the problem.

 

I guess that I am the outlier in the Bigfoot research community.  I haven’t had any of the Woo types show up at my house yet to keep my from going out to check my game cams or audio recorders.  No one has forced my to meditate in a forest clearing with a crystal.
 

 I guess that I have slipped under the radar.  

No, they will just deny it, regardless of the evidence

 

Look at the hardcore UFO skeptics, arguing that a trained and experienced military pilot is not qualified to report what they see.  

 

They can be perfectly qualified to report what they  see, but what did they see? Eyewitness reports to notoriously unreliable.

Just now, MIB said:

 

Yes.

 

The parallel here is that many of us here are more competent to make field observations than the so called academic experts.   In fact, it may well be that defense of what they see as their turf against us uppity interlopers may have more to do with bigfoot being dismissed .. the true target of their ire may be us, not bigfoot.

 

MIB

 

Some are better than others, yes, and it does get insulting when every ufo is swamp gas. Who knew there was that much swamp gas in non swampy areas?

[BlackRockBigfoot]

Just now, zeebob889 said:

 

They can be perfectly qualified to report what they  see, but what did they see? Eyewitness reports to notoriously unreliable.

So the FLIR, radar, and other instrumentation are notoriously unreliable as well

[zeebob889]

2 minutes ago, BlackRockBigfoot said:

So the FLIR, radar, and other instrumentation are notoriously unreliable as well

 

Who looks for Bigfoot with radar? Radar would show SOMETHING is there, not specifically what. Unless one has more money than I, most low end flir will again, show you have a heat signature, but thats about it.