Can You Really Shoot A Bigfoot?

[Explorer]

"Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones.

 

But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal.

 

A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said."

 

Source of quote:

https://www.facebook.com/hell.and.earths/posts/469728891856911

[Huntster]

11 hours ago, Backdoc said:

.......is Bigfoot human?    The truth is how can anyone know what it is?   When I see someone suggest Bigfoot is human I put this in the same category as knowing Bigfoot’s favorite color.    I’ll assume the meaning is really Bigfoot is a human like ape.  Bigfoot a human?   Hmmmm........

.......Maybe I just don’t understand what is meant by human.

 

I'm using the same reasoning used by acclaimed bone diggers. From the current evidence, sasquatch hands and feet are much more human-like than like orangs, chimps, and gorillas. They are largely or primarily bipedal. 

 

They appear to have a language in addition to the yells, screams, whoops, roars, whistles, and other repertoire of audio calls. The "samurai chatter" features a syntax unknown among our current great apes.

 

It appears that the main social feature of sasquatches is a traditional family unit comprised of a male, female, and children, with occasional reports of small groups.

 

The only human features lacking in sasquatch reports are the use and manufacture of tools and goods, and higher abstract concepts like law, spirituality, and academics.

 

So, reviewing the taxonomy of our closest known relative (the chimpanzee), we see that they're of the family Hominidea, sub-family Homininea, tribe Hominini, genus Pan, and species Pan troglodytes.

 

We are of the family Hominidea, sub-family Homininea, tribe Hominini, genus Homo, and species Homo sapien.

 

Of the genus Homo:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo

 

Quote

......Even today, the genus Homo has not been strictly defined.[16][17][18] Since the early human fossil record began to slowly emerge from the earth, the boundaries and definitions of the genus Homo have been poorly defined and constantly in flux. Because there was no reason to think it would ever have any additional members, Carl Linnaeus did not even bother to define Homowhen he first created it for humans in the 18th century. The discovery of Neanderthal brought the first addition.

The genus Homo was given its taxonomic name to suggest that its member species can be classified as human. And, over the decades of the 20th century, fossil finds of pre-human and early human species from late Mioceneand early Pliocene times produced a rich mix for debating classifications........

 

 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Explorer said:

"Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones.

 

But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal.

 

A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said."

 

Source of quote:

https://www.facebook.com/hell.and.earths/posts/469728891856911

I think much more so as bipedal apes as our brains grew? Child birth became difficult. A female needed a support group in order to give birth. Unlike other animals. Once that support group was in place? It out sourced itself to other medical emergencies. 

[norseman]

38 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

I'm using the same reasoning used by acclaimed bone diggers. From the current evidence, sasquatch hands and feet are much more human-like than like orangs, chimps, and gorillas. They are largely or primarily bipedal. 

 

They appear to have a language in addition to the yells, screams, whoops, roars, whistles, and other repertoire of audio calls. The "samurai chatter" features a syntax unknown among our current great apes.

 

It appears that the main social feature of sasquatches is a traditional family unit comprised of a male, female, and children, with occasional reports of small groups.

 

The only human features lacking in sasquatch reports are the use and manufacture of tools and goods, and higher abstract concepts like law, spirituality, and academics.

 

So, reviewing the taxonomy of our closest known relative (the chimpanzee), we see that they're of the family Hominidea, sub-family Homininea, tribe Hominini, genus Pan, and species Pan troglodytes.

 

We are of the family Hominidea, sub-family Homininea, tribe Hominini, genus Homo, and species Homo sapien.

 

Of the genus Homo:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo

 

 

 

Somewhere I read that they do not have a rotated thumb like we do. Meldrum’s book?🤔 

[Backdoc]

We can make a list of why Bigfoot would be an Animal.  We can make another list as to why Bigfoot might be near human.

 

The debate will end if and when we ever have a body.   If it is a live body, then we might be able to test its thinking ability.

 

 

 

[Huntster]

6 hours ago, norseman said:

Somewhere I read that they do not have a rotated thumb like we do. Meldrum’s book?🤔 

The famed mid-tarsel flexibility also deviates from homo sapien physical attributes, but their hands and feet still resemble ours more than those of chimps.

[Huntster]

3 hours ago, Backdoc said:

........The debate will end if and when we ever have a body........

And if government is actively suppressing that body being produced, the debate might last indefinately. Thus not only must s potential sasquatch killer figure out how to kill one, but also hiw to get the carcass to just thr right entity.

 

Who might that be? And how would one accomplish all that without violating any one of many laws? Just the CITES laws can pose a huge legal liability even after the killing is finished.

[norseman]

40 minutes ago, Huntster said:

The famed mid-tarsel flexibility also deviates from homo sapien physical attributes, but their hands and feet still resemble ours more than those of chimps.

True. But can they flake a Homo Erectus hand axe? That’s the million dollar question.

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, norseman said:

True. But can they flake a Homo Erectus hand axe? That’s the million dollar question.

 

There is zero to little evidence that they manufacture or use tools. But, then, they apparently don't need tools.......including fire. Thus, instead of cheating Darwinism with gadgets, they evolved perfectly. 

 

Call them Big Green People. Environmentally perfect.

[norseman]

2 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

There is zero to little evidence that they manufacture or use tools. But, then, they apparently don't need tools.......including fire. Thus, instead of cheating Darwinism with gadgets, they evolved perfectly. 

 

Call them Big Green People. Environmentally perfect.

I’m not a fan of the forest shaman theory.
 

If it doesn’t manufacture tools? It’s a Gorilla on legs. It doesn’t choose to make it’s existence harder…. It just cannot fathom making it any easier.

[Huntster]

12 hours ago, norseman said:

.......If it doesn’t manufacture tools? It’s a Gorilla on legs..........

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/human-being

 

Quote

.........human being, a culture-bearing primate classified in the genus Homo, especially the species H. sapiens. Human beings are anatomically similar and related to the great apes but are distinguished by a more highly developed brain and a resultant capacity for articulate speech and abstract reasoning. In addition, human beings display a marked erectness of body carriage that frees the hands for use as manipulative members. Some of these characteristics, however, are not entirely unique to humans. The gap in cognition, as in anatomy, between humans and the great apes(orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and bonobos) is much less than was once thought, as they have been shown to possess a variety of advanced cognitive abilities formerly believed to be restricted to humans.

 

So, back to Genesis? What is a human.........or, as in Genesis, what is man? Is it an "evolved" Homo sapien/neanderthalensis/denisovan/habilis/floresiensis that was suddenly "created in the image and likeness"........of something else? 

 

Is a human only a creature that builds tools and gadgets? So any higher primate that didn't manufacture or use tools because they didn't need to, since they evolved perfectly to fit in their environment, is not "man" (Homo sapien)........but you insist that they are not even HUMAN, even if they "possess an advanced cognitive ability"? Thus, they do not deserve the basic human rights as defined by homo sapiens?

[Backdoc]

There are cases where a person shoots someone in self-defense.  The result:  they are often not charged with anything.    Why would this be any different with bigfoot.  If a person felt their life was in danger and they shot bigfoot, why would this be any different.  It would seem a good case of self-defense.    If one is not charged for shooting a person in self-defense, then they shouldn't/ would expect to be in shooting Bigfoot.     Just substitute 'Bigfoot' for a bear, lion, or some other animal.    Justified shooting.  

[norseman]

43 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/human-being

 

 

So, back to Genesis? What is a human.........or, as in Genesis, what is man? Is it an "evolved" Homo sapien/neanderthalensis/denisovan/habilis/floresiensis that was suddenly "created in the image and likeness"........of something else? 

 

Is a human only a creature that builds tools and gadgets? So any higher primate that didn't manufacture or use tools because they didn't need to, since they evolved perfectly to fit in their environment, is not "man" (Homo sapien)........but you insist that they are not even HUMAN, even if they "possess an advanced cognitive ability"? Thus, they do not deserve the basic human rights as defined by homo sapiens?

If they cannot pass a 1.5 million year old Litmus test? Correct!

 

Show me one species in the genus Homo that didn't manufacture stone tools? You cannot. Why? Because its a defining characteristic that gets you classified into that genus in the first place!

 

You may find that unfair, incorrect or downright scandalous. They are not my rules. 

Again, we don't know what it is. But there are plenty of bipedal ape men in the fossil record who are not classified in the genus Homo….

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

 

 

 

 

[norseman]

47 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

There are cases where a person shoots someone in self-defense.  The result:  they are often not charged with anything.    Why would this be any different with bigfoot.  If a person felt their life was in danger and they shot bigfoot, why would this be any different.  It would seem a good case of self-defense.    If one is not charged for shooting a person in self-defense, then they shouldn't/ would expect to be in shooting Bigfoot.     Just substitute 'Bigfoot' for a bear, lion, or some other animal.    Justified shooting.  

Science requires a type specimen for classification. Two in fact. One male and one female. They don’t specify how to get it….

[Huntster]

4 hours ago, Backdoc said:

There are cases where a person shoots someone in self-defense.  The result:  they are often not charged with anything.    Why would this be any different with bigfoot.  If a person felt their life was in danger and they shot bigfoot, why would this be any different.  It would seem a good case of self-defense.    If one is not charged for shooting a person in self-defense, then they shouldn't/ would expect to be in shooting Bigfoot.     Just substitute 'Bigfoot' for a bear, lion, or some other animal.    Justified shooting.  

The legal defense of oneself from death or serious injury from another person can include lethal force. Here in Alaska we have a Defense of Life and Property legal defense if one has to kill an aggressive bear or moose, but one cannot legally use lethal force against another person to protect property.