Huntster Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 9 hours ago, norseman said: .......If it’s a new species of Hominid? We are breaking completely new ground........ Exactly, and I believe government doesn't want that ground broken. Quote ........Our closest extant relative right now? Is within the purview of wildlife management authorities. That’s been challenged in court. I don’t think it’s made any head way......... This is why government doesn't want another human species to become discovered. And chimps are not of the genus Homo. Quote ........Either way? No matter how close or far Bigfoot is related to us? I would like to see it protected as a species. They are. If mankind believes they don't exist, they're as protected as they can get. One of the main goal of survivalists is to disappear from society.
Huntster Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 10 hours ago, MIB said: ......... I'm going to predict .. recognizing that's all it is, a prediction .. that bigfoot will somehow manage to occupy a niche where it is not clear which set of rules applies, "wildlife" vs "person"........ My prediction: Governments will successfully contain sasquatches in the realm of mythology until homo sapiens destroy their own societies just like they've done with the UFO phenomenon.
norseman Posted November 7, 2023 Admin Posted November 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Huntster said: Exactly, and I believe government doesn't want that ground broken. This is why government doesn't want another human species to become discovered. And chimps are not of the genus Homo. They are. If mankind believes they don't exist, they're as protected as they can get. One of the main goal of survivalists is to disappear from society. The government didn’t want any whistleblowers within the UFO community either. Oh well. And Bigfoot may not be in the genus Homo either. No. They are not. Nothing legally protects them from anything. Most “survivalists” I know hate society put still go get their welfare check and food stamps once a month from that same society. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Huntster Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 43 minutes ago, norseman said: The government didn’t want any whistleblowers within the UFO community either. Oh well. No. They are not. Nothing legally protects them from anything......... And they might not be whistleblowers. They might be agents of disinformation. Quote ..........And Bigfoot may not be in the genus Homo either........... True. But if they speak to each other as is reported, I can't see Science putting them unto any other current taxonomic family. In order to avoid the political tumult of sasquatches as a human, they might create another primate family out of thin air. Quote .........No. They are not. Nothing legally protects them from anything. ........ Perhaps not. Nothing seems to protect them from you, who is dedicated to killing one. Quote ........Most “survivalists” I know hate society put still go get their welfare check and food stamps once a month from that same society. Hypocrisy knows no bounds. It might g moral, but it's pretty dumb to waive free money. I politically oppose the Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend. It's rhe biggest waste of public money I've ever seen. The vast majority of it is spent on garbage. Some of it is hauled down and spent in Hawaii. Some of it is spent on dope. If it was repealed, the state pf Alaska would lose at least 15%-20% of its population within a year, and nothing could make me happier. Those are precisely the people we need to jettison. I'd love to see it spent on infrastructure instead. But if the state is going to give money to those guys, oh yeah, you'd better believe I want my share, too. I might hate socialism, but I'm not stupid. And you can disappear from society, and be safe from them, and still leach off them. There are reports of sasquatches scavenging. Bears do it. The point about the survivalists is that most people don't know who they ate, where they are, and what they have. That's what the survivalists want; anonymity.
georgerm Posted November 8, 2023 Author Posted November 8, 2023 On 11/6/2023 at 5:55 PM, Huntster said: And they might not be whistleblowers. They might be agents of disinformation. True. But if they speak to each other as is reported, I can't see Science putting them unto any other current taxonomic family. In order to avoid the political tumult of sasquatches as a human, they might create another primate family out of thin air. Perhaps not. Nothing seems to protect them from you, who is dedicated to killing one. It might g moral, but it's pretty dumb to waive free money. I politically oppose the Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend. It's rhe biggest waste of public money I've ever seen. The vast majority of it is spent on garbage. Some of it is hauled down and spent in Hawaii. Some of it is spent on dope. If it was repealed, the state pf Alaska would lose at least 15%-20% of its population within a year, and nothing could make me happier. Those are precisely the people we need to jettison. I'd love to see it spent on infrastructure instead. But if the state is going to give money to those guys, oh yeah, you'd better believe I want my share, too. I might hate socialism, but I'm not stupid. And you can disappear from society, and be safe from them, and still leach off them. There are reports of sasquatches scavenging. Bears do it. The point about the survivalists is that most people don't know who they ate, where they are, and what they have. That's what the survivalists want; anonymity. Hunster, I usually understand and enjoy your smart replies, but what's this have to do with endangered species? What do you think of bigfoot being protected from harm, especially from gun fire?
Huntster Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, georgerm said: Hunster, I usually understand and enjoy your smart replies, but what's this have to do with endangered species?......... It doesn't. They were replies to another post that was unrelated. Quote .........What do you think of bigfoot being protected from harm, especially from gun fire? We already have laws forbidding homicide.
MIB Posted November 8, 2023 Moderator Posted November 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, georgerm said: Hunster, I usually understand and enjoy your smart replies, but what's this have to do with endangered species? What do you think of bigfoot being protected from harm, especially from gun fire? How would you feel about African Americans or Native Americans being listed under the Endangered Species Act to protect them from being shot? Sounds pretty racist, right? Or worse! We don't apply wildlife laws to people. And yet some of us consider bigfoot to most probably be a kind of human .. so what you're asking is just as racist and just as offensive whether you understand it and accept it or not. End of story. 1
hiflier Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, georgerm said: What do you think of bigfoot being protected from harm, especially from gun fire? 11 hours ago, Huntster said: We already have laws forbidding homicide. 11 hours ago, MIB said: We don't apply wildlife laws to people. And yet some of us consider bigfoot to most probably be a kind of human .. I think in light of these posts it might not be too far off base to bring in the phenomenon of the Washington State nest discoveries? Quickly going through the details surrounding their construction, location, size, and purpose, might help with the Human/animal aspects of this thread. Especially considering the brain development issues with something apparently primitive enough to build Gorilla-type ground structures of sufficient number and size to suggest a less advanced creature- keeping in mind that the ONLY primate genus found in the DNA taken from the site was of the genus Homo. Edited November 8, 2023 by hiflier
Huntster Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 53 minutes ago, hiflier said: I think in light of these posts it might not be too far off base to bring in the phenomenon of the Washington State nest discoveries? Quickly going through the details surrounding their construction, location, size, and purpose, might help with the Human/animal aspects of this thread. Especially considering the brain development issues with something apparently primitive enough to build Gorilla-type ground structures........ If we accept Science as most on this forum do (and if you don't, you'll be herded until you do), Zana has been *proven* to have been "100% Homo sapien" through the magic of DNA analysis. Though this *proof* was the second DNA analysis involved, we are told that the jury has arrived at an iron clad verdict. "The debate is over", like we commonly hear. The testimony regarding Zana's bedding practices is just as clear: She only slept outside (regardless of temperature), and simply dug a hole with her bare hands to curl up in, this is what she preferred and insisted on, she tore off any clothes put on her, and she did this until the day she died. There is currently a virtual potpourri of evidence/proof of Homo sapien bedding practices on display in every city on the continent. They include nests made from whatever materials that are available. "Brain development" has absolutely nothing to do with it.
hiflier Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, Huntster said: There is currently a virtual potpourri of evidence/proof of Homo sapien bedding practices on display in every city on the continent. Yes, and most, if not all of those practices take protection from the elements, and even insects, into consideration. Gorillas don't do that. and whoever/whatever built those isolated structures didn't either. And apparently followed those same practices- in that location- for years.
Huntster Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, hiflier said: Yes, and most, if not all of those practices take protection from the elements, and even insects, into consideration. Gorillas don't do that. and whoever/whatever built those isolated structures didn't either. And apparently followed those same practices- in that location- for years. The nests are *evidence* of existence, proximity, and (since they were on private land rarely disturbed) a preference for solitude. Their construction method and size are *evidence* of a primate with hands. The e-DNA can be *evidence* of species. We are told that it is of the genus Homo. To my knowledge, the specific species of Homo sapien has not been documented, nor has any other Homo species. Testimony has reported numerous times over the past century of these creatures *speaking* with each other or at Homo sapiens clearly indicates a species of an order higher than chimps. Their physical morphology, especially with regard to their feet, and their bipedal locomotion also places them much closer to Homo sapiens than Pan. Aboriginal Homo sapien tradition is that these creatures are people, and a spiritual creature to boot. Thus, the *evidence* is strong that these creatures are of the genus Homo. They are human. This will not be *proven* during our lifetimes, primarily because the *evidence* indicates that government is discouraging discovery. 1
NorCalWitness Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 13 hours ago, MIB said: How would you feel about African Americans or Native Americans being listed under the Endangered Species Act to protect them from being shot? Sounds pretty racist, right? Or worse! We don't apply wildlife laws to people. And yet some of us consider bigfoot to most probably be a kind of human .. so what you're asking is just as racist and just as offensive whether you understand it and accept it or not. End of story. Bigfoot Lives Matter is a very important movement.
hiflier Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Huntster said: The nests are *evidence* of existence, proximity, and (since they were on private land rarely disturbed) a preference for solitude. Their construction method and size are *evidence* of a primate with hands. The e-DNA can be *evidence* of species. We are told that it is of the genus Homo. To my knowledge, the specific species of Homo sapien has not been documented, nor has any other Homo species. Testimony has reported numerous times over the past century of these creatures *speaking* with each other or at Homo sapiens clearly indicates a species of an order higher than chimps. Their physical morphology, especially with regard to their feet, and their bipedal locomotion also places them much closer to Homo sapiens than Pan. Aboriginal Homo sapien tradition is that these creatures are people, and a spiritual creature to boot. Thus, the *evidence* is strong that these creatures are of the genus Homo. They are human. This will not be *proven* during our lifetimes, primarily because the *evidence* indicates that government is discouraging discovery. Absolute upvote And all that goes onto the pile and into the picture. Because no matter what individual, cherry-picked, element people chose to discuss, EVERY individual element needs to considered as a fully integrated backdrop to any discussion. The whole picture is the sum of its parts and so one needs to keep in mind ALL of the parts when discussing individual points of interest. It's the best way because the creature IS the context. Edited November 8, 2023 by hiflier 1
Huntster Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 56 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: Bigfoot Lives Matter is a very important movement. Since they *might* be so rare that extinction is a possibility, yes, it should be a very important consideration.
hiflier Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 24 minutes ago, Huntster said: Since they *might* be so rare that extinction is a possibility, yes, it should be a very important consideration. Can't call 'em rare until they are proved, or stated, to even officially exist. So....back to court. Unless stating that they are a recreational activity is good enough for you to dismiss the creatures as being real.
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