Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) Yep. I'd sign it if the money was good... But...... The prop building community is very much like this community, unless your actually in the community you (People detached from the comminuty) generally don't tend to see or hear anything until it hits the mainstream, so i would still mention it and show a few sneak peaks on a forum, with confidence that the general population wouldn't get wind of it lol. NDA or not! As for the question of my experience, I generally deal with building private replica props. Anythings from a Star Trek phaser to full iron man suits (and ninja turtles). I've been doing it basically all my life, my father did it before me. He worked in TV and theatre. The latter being the majority of his work, so I've been brought up with it. It isn't my full time job as my passion is engineering, owning my own surveying company. I generally commit 2 days a week to props. I do have a degree in media makeup. I don't think the tent video is a bust being controlled by a puppeteer, it's either a mask (masks that articulate with actual face movements are available) or its bigfoot lol. In my opinion Edited February 23, 2013 by benboy23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I sent this attachment to another member however he said all he got was a blank pm.... Short story long, the date of Musky's post 11/24/12 and his clear bias casts serious doubt on his being an impartial skeptic....he seemed to be Rick's internet bud.... Good find Clubbedfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) Ok Benboy?? Can you answer this one?? If someone asked you to make an expensive prop and then said it was for a hoax and can you sign an NDA to keep the secret thus also fooling many people, would you sign it?? Assuming that Dyer would go to a prop maker and say "this is for a hoax". The actual transaction would more likely be an exchange of the build specifications and timetable, followed by a quote for the build, and then the monetary transaction. Any personal conversation about the project would likely be that it is for a movie promotional, if the prop builder cares. I doubt the word "hoax" would ever come up. Edited February 23, 2013 by PsyShroom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Use common sense...why on earth would Dyer go through all the expense and hastle to hoax Musky? Just look at the JOKE body of the 2008 hoax. It would take a very sophisticated prop indeed to fool Musky and Derek. Keep in mind..this is housed in a laboratory setting as well. This story only flys if Musky is a SHILL..but now you have DEREK comming out. I am using common sense. RD didn't hoax Musky. (but he is hoaxing other people ) Derek coming out ... he's not there yet, is all I'm saying. I have a feeling DRs visit is going to leave us with more questions than answers. Just a hunch. Listen to Musky ...it's detailed to the extent of enlarged ear canals...shaved areas..flea powder...hair between fingers...genitalia...finger nails... Folks..this isn't an $8000 knock off. It would take an EPIC effort to produce what Musky saw..and what Derek will soon see. Musky's credibility is nil considering his earlier association with RD, which he lied about, among other things. Details can be made up. The interview was not live, was spoonfed plus it was edited. Has he done any other interviews that I missed? We all know how Musky gets when he's live. if this story is true = x x being that he was part of the biggest BF hoax ever, why say word until you can stand on top of your trophy, and all networks broadcasting, for the world to see x he would not have to say one sentence anywhere to defend himself, the body would speak for itself. x he would not be bragging about the truck minnow supposedly bought for him, instead would be showing the 100' yacht the they bought him x the fruit of the loom company would pay him a nice hunk of change, the tent company, etc... and then the big kuhuna remington arms would change the name to remington & Dyer arms, they might even put his name first! x why would he defend one word that anyone says about him, he would just agree with them and smile, because he has the goods. x we would not be on our second thread about this, we would be talking on the thread called "OMG! RD shot a BF" where we would see pics and video of a dead BF. x we would have never heard the name Musky Allen All true. All common sense. Even Muskie touched the body. Says Musky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Any personal conversation about the project would likely be that it is for a movie promotional, if the prop builder cares. I doubt the word "hoax" would ever come up. No i totally disagree. This 'hoax' has now got the attention of alot of people in the Bigfoot community and it is causing a big stir with the majority of people furious at the thought of him daring to attempt to even try pull off another hoax yes? Do you think Rick Dyer is sitting there now thinking 'oh the makers of that complex costume will never blow my cover I have nothing to worry about'? No! Given the amount of flack he is getting from this 'hoax' I would predict that he would be bricking it that the prop/costume makers might blow it! Why go to all the trouble of trying to create such a complex hoax as this, and then just say, 'yeah but I wont bother about making sure the prop makers stay quiet, I will just keep my fingers crossed'. If you are gonna pull off a damned good hoax like this one apparantly is, you need to thoroughly cross the 't's and dot the 'i' BIG TIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) There are no "ardent supporters of Dyer's claims" on this thread. There are only "ardent supporters" of a wait-and-see attitude. To everyone who feels pained and aggrieved by people with a wait-and-see attitude, I have a simple solution to your problem. Do not look at this thread. You're welcome. I don't agree Leaftalker. There are many, many instances where believers (by this I mean believers of the Dyer claim) have said plainly that they believe him, believe the story, believe Musky. Perhaps you are wait-and-see and believers have no choice but to wait and see, but to say there are no ardent supporters of Dyer's claims is not true. eta when I sent this, I had not read further to her clarification. Oops. Edited February 23, 2013 by Belmar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I don't agree Leaftalker. There are many, many instances where believers (by this I mean believers of the Dyer claim) have said plainly that they believe him, believe the story, believe Musky. Perhaps you are wait-and-see and believers have no choice but to wait and see, but to say there are no ardent supporters of Dyer's claims is not true. Belmar I think what Leaftalker means is that none of us supporters actually know for a FACT that this is story is true, so we can only be ardent supporters in a 'wait and see' attitude. No i totally disagree. This 'hoax' has now got the attention of alot of people in the Bigfoot community and it is causing a big stir with the majority of people furious at the thought of him daring to attempt to even try pull off another hoax yes? Do you think Rick Dyer is sitting there now thinking 'oh the makers of that complex costume will never blow my cover I have nothing to worry about'? No! Given the amount of flack he is getting from this 'hoax' I would predict that he would be bricking it that the prop/costume makers might blow it! Why go to all the trouble of trying to create such a complex hoax as this, and then just say, 'yeah but I wont bother about making sure the prop makers stay quiet, I will just keep my fingers crossed'. If you are gonna pull off a damned good hoax like this one apparantly is, you need to thoroughly cross the 't's and dot the 'i' BIG TIME! Ah Ha! I am going to pull apart something that I myself just wrote above. A freudian slip perhaps you say?? Much like the 'freudian slip' that has been recorded of Rick Dyer himself saying recently and a statement that is currently trying to blow this whole story apart.Here it is: note that I said this: Why go to all the trouble of trying to create such a complex hoax as this,... Does that mean that I know it to be a hoax? No it doesnt because I dont think it is a hoax. But my wording could be misinterpreted in the context of how it was said and therefore interpreted as a slip HAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) Belmar I think what Leaftalker means is that none of us supporters actually know for a FACT that this is story is true, so we can only be ardent supporters in a 'wait and see' attitude. I see what you mean, but it's not how LTs post read to me. eta I've now read her clarification. Edited February 23, 2013 by Belmar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) No i totally disagree. This 'hoax' has now got the attention of alot of people in the Bigfoot community and it is causing a big stir with the majority of people furious at the thought of him daring to attempt to even try pull off another hoax yes? Do you think Rick Dyer is sitting there now thinking 'oh the makers of that complex costume will never blow my cover I have nothing to worry about'? No! Given the amount of flack he is getting from this 'hoax' I would predict that he would be bricking it that the prop/costume makers might blow it! Why go to all the trouble of trying to create such a complex hoax as this, and then just say, 'yeah but I wont bother about making sure the prop makers stay quiet, I will just keep my fingers crossed'. If you are gonna pull off a damned good hoax like this one apparantly is, you need to thoroughly cross the 't's and dot the 'i' BIG TIME! I said that, in the business transaction with the propmaker, the term "hoax" would not likely ever come up. It's not a damned good hoax. It's essentially the same thing they did in 2008. Fake "witnesses", fake testimony, etc... The only thing successful so far about this hoax is that he has still managed to convince a small following despite having been caught contradicting himself and changing his story. He's still erasing all of his videos within hours after posting them, because he knows that unless he does so, someone is going to pay close attention to what he says, and catch him out again. If he was telling the truth, he wouldn't be trying to hide what he says. If he was telling the truth, he wouldn't need to cover anything up. If he was telling the truth, we'd all be celebrating the discovery of a new species of primate instead of trying to rationalize away his suspicious behavior. A person telling the truth would stand behind what he has said and leave it out there for everyone to hear, because his story would remain unerringly true, and there would be no contradictions that he has to hide. Edited February 23, 2013 by PsyShroom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 So seriously, I can promise you, from the bottom of my heart, all the people you want to characterize as "ardent Dyer supporters" are genuine, 100% authentic, humble wait-and-seers. They KNOW this thing could crash and burn at any second. They're just curious, is all. And patient. Ah.. I should read all posts before replying. Still no body guys? Really surprising. Looks like my KFC (Kentucky Fried Crow) franchise idea is on ice for the time being! LOL Mark. I've been waiting for one of your 'still no body?' posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cervelo Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Guys...if he can touch and probe all the better. I was saying ..he will be glad to just have a view. Don't sell a view short..Derek didn't just fall off the turnip truck. There's a LOT you can gather by viewing. so ya'all think Dyer has a $100K Fake body? Because that's what it would take. FYI you might go take a look thru the Elbe Trackway thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest miller44 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 So seriously, I can promise you, from the bottom of my heart, all the people you want to characterize as "ardent Dyer supporters" are genuine, 100% authentic, humble wait-and-seers. They KNOW this thing could crash and burn at any second. They're just curious, is all. And patient. That's accurate in my case, I can attest to that much. A few pages back I pledged a 24hr timestamp to take $100 bets at 20:1 + given that those odds were put out by me it's obvious that even I (as a believer in the Sept 6th claim) still realize that the probabilities are on the side of this being a hoax. I'll even go so far as to say that as someone who knows background content of this situation which is not currently public, I am still miles away from being certain as to the outcome. Accordingly I can do nothing other than wait and see. If anyone else here is 100% certain that it did happened then that individual either has better info than I do, or they are much less opposed than I am to taking a longshot. The thing that really baffels me is how anyone can be as steadfast in their contention that it 100% didn't happen as many people here seem to be? Mind you, no one took myself or Ronn1 up on our 20:1 offer, so maybe there's a little "wait and see" in all of us... I sure hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 FYI you might go take a look thru the Elbe Trackway thread Shhhhh:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) No i totally disagree. This 'hoax' has now got the attention of alot of people in the Bigfoot community and it is causing a big stir with the majority of people furious at the thought of him daring to attempt to even try pull off another hoax yes? Do you think Rick Dyer is sitting there now thinking 'oh the makers of that complex costume will never blow my cover I have nothing to worry about'? No! Given the amount of flack he is getting from this 'hoax' I would predict that he would be bricking it that the prop/costume makers might blow it! Why go to all the trouble of trying to create such a complex hoax as this, and then just say, 'yeah but I wont bother about making sure the prop makers stay quiet, I will just keep my fingers crossed'. If you are gonna pull off a damned good hoax like this one apparantly is, you need to thoroughly cross the 't's and dot the 'i' BIG TIME! Why did he go through the trouble of being interviewed on CNN and MSNBC to talk about his bigfoot body, or hold a press conference? Why did he go buy a $500 bigfoot suit and fill it with animal parts and put it in a freezer? Who knows why he does any of the things he does. Let's also remember this is not his second hoax......but THIRD. Edited February 23, 2013 by simplyskyla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Why did he go through the trouble of being interviewed on CNN and MSNBC to talk about his bigfoot body, or hold a press conference? Why did he go buy a $500 bigfoot suit and fill it with animal parts and put it in a freezer? Who knows why he does any of the things he does. Let's also remember this is not his second hoax......but THIRD. Thats not the same argument Skyla? I am talking about how whoever made the 'prop' or 'costume' would have to be made to keep quiet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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