Invisible Bigfoot & Alternative Thinking

[Guest]

Hi Splash,

Key word however may be 'probably'. Humbly stated of course. This area may be just a little deeper then some might be anticipating me thinks. A lot of stuff out there that people aren't yet ready to share. I'm sure not. lol And there are many who remember the old BFF which was completely unfriendly in discussing such things, so that might still be a shadow over the subject. I think the blanket bff statement of "don't expect to find many in your camp" may not be entirely accurate either. Its more a matter of fear of disclosure too soon I think, because as can be seen here, there are a significant number of people who enjoy the subject. There is a lot of not too easily explainable stuff out there, not stuff that can simply be written off as indirect natural phenomenon either. We haven't gotten into the specific depths of scientific theory herein, we've had few specific cases shared as of yet, heck, wouldn't it be something if Stephen Hawking showed up? lol I do know someone with such background who might be interested in sharing his ideas but I haven't asked him yet. He's been around the field a long time and is known for a fascinating invention. His input alone would likely warrant a new thread. There's also a myriad of NA stories that haven't yet surfaced that also apply. In my opinion, the subject is still wide open, and while I realize it may not be within the experiences of many 'traditional' bigfooters, there are many where these unknowns have surfaced and have become part of the mystery to them.

So just asking ya to keep an open mind in that thoughts come freely to people, and different people have different times to share things that are very personal to them. Bigfoot is a mystery and under all normal circumstances, they should have been proven to exist long ago. There may be misconceptions as to how Quantum Mechanics is applied to the topic thus far too. Those of us who have seen bigfoot, know it was something very REAL, while I think saying they are not "invisible" is true, it be a misnomer with respect to the topic herein. This is all complex physics being proposed not magical bigfoot as some might apply. Why have none of the people who have shot them with high powered rifles not ended up with a body? Yeah they are big, but come on. Something is strange about them, and whether we like it or not, we should consider all the available options thoroughly. Obviously this thread is beginning to do that too, but it might become a little more diverse a subject then expected as new concepts evolve. Thanks for your consideration as I tiptoe quietly out of the thread for now.

[Guest Tsalagi]

I also find it hard to believe that there are sooo many RESEARCHERS/experts on this site.IF you have seen a Sasquatch then you have more knowledge then most on what they look like.IF you have heard one then you have more knowledge then most on what they sound like ETC.To put down others for there beliefs( shape shifting,UFO,etc)is wrong,they are brave enough to speak out and you so called experts tell them that they are wrong !!.Until one is found and there is proof of what it really is then ANY and ALL idea’s should be considered !!.I did not come to my thinking on this subject overnight,I have spent most of 40 years reading anything I can find,listening to anybody that wanted to talk about this subject.

I agree with you. I find it amazing just how man "EXPERTS" there seem to be on here. You would think if there were really that many researchers out there when you went to Sasquatch hotspots you would run into these guys or find their cameras. But when I have ventured out in the woods there were no researchers around. Though one we did run into this guy laying down on the ground in camouflage with a camera that had about 3 feet of lenses on it. (never did find out what the heck he was doing) I've found it comical how so many on here who have never seen a BF will insist they know more about what they are than someone who has actually seen, heard and been chased by one. Also find the ape theorists funny considering what I saw was a 7 ft hair covered man walking through the forest. Course I do think there are escaped apes and gibbons in the forest, but that those are not really Sasquatch, but rather apes that just so happen to roam the woods too. I'm not sure what I believe about the invisibility and alternative thinking as its being called. However I have talked to Natives who offered up the info that the BF can turn invisible. I know of at least two tribes in the Southwest that say this. Native Peoples have had thousands of years more experience with this giant than the white man has ever had, so I tend to put more weight on what the Native elders say than what an armchair BF expert 'thinks'.

[indiefoot]

I just wish the NA's could explain the mechanism of becoming invisible.

[Guest]

I just wish the NA's could explain the mechanism of becoming invisible.

I would imagine that's a subject for pm's!

[Guest]

If successful, is that person/organization then the authority who decides what to do next?

If not, why not?

Huntster! I'd say that whoever disproves my hypothesis holds the cards on what happens next. The rub for some I suppose is exactly how "success" is demonstrated.

[Guest]

Hi Splash,

Key word however may be 'probably'. Humbly stated of course. This area may be just a little deeper then some might be anticipating me thinks. A lot of stuff out there that people aren't yet ready to share. I'm sure not. lol And there are many who remember the old BFF which was completely unfriendly in discussing such things, so that might still be a shadow over the subject. I think the blanket bff statement of "don't expect to find many in your camp" may not be entirely accurate either. Its more a matter of fear of disclosure too soon I think, because as can be seen here, there are a significant number of people who enjoy the subject. There is a lot of not too easily explainable stuff out there, not stuff that can simply be written off as indirect natural phenomenon either. We haven't gotten into the specific depths of scientific theory herein, we've had few specific cases shared as of yet, heck, wouldn't it be something if Stephen Hawking showed up? lol I do know someone with such background who might be interested in sharing his ideas but I haven't asked him yet. He's been around the field a long time and is known for a fascinating invention. His input alone would likely warrant a new thread. There's also a myriad of NA stories that haven't yet surfaced that also apply. In my opinion, the subject is still wide open, and while I realize it may not be within the experiences of many 'traditional' bigfooters, there are many where these unknowns have surfaced and have become part of the mystery to them.

So just asking ya to keep an open mind in that thoughts come freely to people, and different people have different times to share things that are very personal to them. Bigfoot is a mystery and under all normal circumstances, they should have been proven to exist long ago. There may be misconceptions as to how Quantum Mechanics is applied to the topic thus far too. Those of us who have seen bigfoot, know it was something very REAL, while I think saying they are not "invisible" is true, it be a misnomer with respect to the topic herein. This is all complex physics being proposed not magical bigfoot as some might apply. Why have none of the people who have shot them with high powered rifles not ended up with a body? Yeah they are big, but come on. Something is strange about them, and whether we like it or not, we should consider all the available options thoroughly. Obviously this thread is beginning to do that too, but it might become a little more diverse a subject then expected as new concepts evolve. Thanks for your consideration as I tiptoe quietly out of the thread for now.

Hi Pragmatic Theorist,

Thank you for the dissertation. I have a very open mind, thank you very much. Like I have mentioned before, I put my trust in the physical world and what is allowed in the physical world. Prove to me that bigfoot can turn invisible and I will join the "Invisible Bigfoot Club".

I don't need a member to make a personal post to me, telling me why a discussion should take place.

Please discuss paranormal bigfoot to your heart's content. Might point is that we will be keeping it confined to just one thread.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Splash

[Guest Tsalagi]

I just wish the NA's could explain the mechanism of becoming invisible.

That comes under the same heading as some of their spiritual practices and ceremonies which most couldn't comprehend if they did explain them. I listened to Natives explain things to non-Natives, the simplest, most basic things and the listener just didn't understand. I've seen things in ceremonies and just when out in the woods with elders that I can't explain, but it happened. Stuff that blows your mind away if you think about it too much. Should you really want an explanation for invisibility which I'm doubting you really do, but if you do I'd suggest befriending a Hopi, Apache or Navajo elder.

[southernyahoo]

It's about time folks got serious and began thinking outside the box. What hasn't worked well so far for Bigfootery has been the misconception that if Bigfoot researchers apply established scientific methods to evidence collection that they will somehow garner attention from either a State or Federal Agency, or somehow get mainstream Anthropologists, Biologists to take them seriously. This will never happen until those doing the evidence collecting ARE credentialed in those fields. That's how our scientific community works. All the posturing at Bf conferences, all the interviews given, all the expeditions mounted will not change that. Until the researchers finally grasp that fact and begin to simply follow the evidence Bigfootery will never move forward.

Part of Bigfoot from day one has been chock full of the so far, unreconciled "paranormal" evidence. I would have said anocdotal evidence, but since it hasn't been adequately studied we have no real way to determine whether it indeed is anecdotal or not.. Paranormal as defined as "outside of the norm" doesn't really apply as NO NORMS for Bigfoot have been established. Researchers currently are free to pick and choose their "pet hypothisies" regardless of the validity. Peer pressure certainly is rife in what "Pet Theory" will be mainstreamed.

So it actually is past time we think outside the box. We have no valid reason not to consider everything Bigfoot related and everything to lose by picking and choosing what data gets reported.

It is the worst kind of science to assume Bigfoot can or cannot do anything until we know what Bigfoot is. Until we have a body. Our beliefs are irrelevant during the process of discovery.

(JMO)

Couldn't have said it better myself. The focus should be on productive field methods and proper analysis of data, but it takes credentialed people to even analyse it. I agree with Saskeptic in the first order being to disprove nonexistence, which will require biological proof. Then we'll see if we can tie any other phenomenon to it, but it's gonna take an extraordinary piece of footage to do that I'm afraid.

[Guest]

I couldn't be any more humble. Nothing more intended Splash. I'm sure not the one to prove they can become invisible either. Its just a universe sized topic that's all. Its all good.

[Incorrigible1]

That comes under the same heading as some of their spiritual practices and ceremonies which most couldn't comprehend if they did explain them.

Please, do try to explain.

Help me understand how spiritual practices and ceremonies can account for invisible bigfoot. Thank you.

[Guest Tsalagi]

Please, do try to explain.

Help me understand how spiritual practices and ceremonies can account for invisible bigfoot. Thank you.

Sorry you are too rude and obnoxious in all your posts to me and have said some very insulting things concerning Native Americans. I don't wish any conversation with you in any form nor will I share any Native teachings with you. If you were really interested in learning you would get out of your recliner and go seek out a teacher. I don't even understand why you belong to this board as I have seen you do nothing but insult people and you don't seem to have any belief in Sasquatch so why not go join a sports message board or something?

[Incorrigible1]

Sorry you are too rude and obnoxious in all your posts to me and have said some very insulting things concerning Native Americans. I don't wish any conversation with you in any form nor will I share any Native teachings with you. If you were really interested in learning you would get out of your recliner and go seek out a teacher. I don't even understand why you belong to this board as I have seen you do nothing but insult people and you don't seem to have any belief in Sasquatch so why not go join a sports message board or something?

Wow. I doubt you can find more than a posting or two from me, and I also doubt you'd be able to show them insulting nor rude. Pardon me for asking for clarification on your posting.

[Huntster]

Saskeptic, on 18 April 2011 - 04:43 AM, said:

The outside-the-box thinking I'd recommend is to consider that there is no bigfoot and then try to disprove that position.

If successful, is that person/organization then the authority who decides what to do next?

If not, why not?

Huntster! I'd say that whoever disproves my hypothesis holds the cards on what happens next. The rub for some I suppose is exactly how "success" is demonstrated.

I like that answer.

I'd say that success is proving that sasquatches exist. And if it must be done via private investment/effort, than the decisions on what to do after "discovery" should be made by those who proved that they exist. After all, if so many opposed public investment into discovery ("I'd recommend is to consider that there is no bigfoot"), why should the public then assume authority after private parties invest heavily in both time and treasure to prove that they exist?

[Guest ChrisBFRPKY]

Come on guys. Let's not let a simple discussion turn into something personal. I haven't seen any Native American bashing going on in the posts I've looked thru so let's not place any chips on our shoulders please.

Both sides should be able to understand that opinions and beliefs vary. The Native Americans seem to view these creatures in a similar way as the locals in Tibet view the Yeti. More of a spiritual being. Who knows? I don't think the creatures can disappear or do supernatural things, but if I ever see one disappear in front of me, I'll subscribe to that school of thinking. Until then......Chris B.

[Guest wudewasa]

That comes under the same heading as some of their spiritual practices and ceremonies which most couldn't comprehend if they did explain them. I listened to Natives explain things to non-Natives, the simplest, most basic things and the listener just didn't understand. I've seen things in ceremonies and just when out in the woods with elders that I can't explain, but it happened. Stuff that blows your mind away if you think about it too much. Should you really want an explanation for invisibility which I'm doubting you really do, but if you do I'd suggest befriending a Hopi, Apache or Navajo elder.

Tsalagi,

There is a difference when one accepts an explanation based on faith and one on quantifiable data.

As someone who has conversed with many people from different backgrounds, I am interested in different perspectives, even though I don't always agree with those perspectives. Whether I understand things or don't due to my upbringing, heritage, or lack of blood quantum/enrollment/genetic predisposition lies on the judgement of others. I can't change how people view me, only they can.

Local peoples have a necessary perspective, but it is only one perspective. Perhaps some of us folks that don't "get it" actually do, but will never be accepted as enlightened by the ones in "the know."