Invisible Bigfoot & Alternative Thinking

[Guest]

This is very off-topic and snarky Saskeptic. Was the comment really necessary?

(as always JMO)

Dude, come on. We're having a discussion about invisible bigfoots. Some folks, presumably in defense of the idea of interdimensional travel, presented information about the possibility that such interdimensionality could be demonstrated through experiments underway with the Large Hadron Collider. My comment was a simple and direct way to raise the issue tnat even if such interdimensionality could be demonstrated, it would require vast amounts of energy to access. I am expressing skepticism that a large hairy humanoid that lives in the North American wilds eating berries and scavenging deer could travel interdimensionally without the ability to tap into such energy. In other words, if bigfoots do this, they must have control over tremendous power sources far more technologically advanced than we humans currently have.

Thus, my point was spot-on topic and snarky to no one. It was just humorous and pithy and went over your head.

[bipedalist]

Dude, come on.

FYI, "dudette".

[Guest]

Dude, come on. We're having a discussion about invisible bigfoots. Some folks, presumably in defense of the idea of interdimensional travel, presented information about the possibility that such interdimensionality could be demonstrated through experiments underway with the Large Hadron Collider. My comment was a simple and direct way to raise the issue tnat even if such interdimensionality could be demonstrated, it would require vast amounts of energy to access. I am expressing skepticism that a large hairy humanoid that lives in the North American wilds eating berries and scavenging deer could travel interdimensionally without the ability to tap into such energy. In other words, if bigfoots do this, they must have control over tremendous power sources far more technologically advanced than we humans currently have.

I have to respectfully disagree with you there Saskeptic. Now I know you are a very intelligent individual. You often come back with some very comic and er 'pragmatic' banter. I often enjoy reading your responses. But I don't see why it would necessarily require a massive amount of energy in this case.

Here's a theory that I've just now realized that may well move us forward in some interesting discussion. Harmonics. What if their access to other dimensions (and I'm not necessarily saying they can do this), can be affected by generation of low frequency sound? We are more and more frequently accepting that they can use Infra-sound right? Well what if infra-sound can manipulate these such portals in and out of phase when desired? Clearly it does not require any such vast energy source. Many concepts in physics are about manipulating frequency. You know this. Could Infra-sound be the solution that science is even looking for? Heck, can someone get me Michio Kaku's phone number? I want to run something by him. lol I'll accept my Nobel Prize at my home address thank you.

Seriously, of course I don't have any way to test this theory, but I'm sure even you can recognize that it may be possible. Could shed a whole new light on all those Infra-sound reports too.

[Guest]

PragmaticTheorist said:

I too have seen them close up. Yeah they are REAL as day. MAN are they! lol But frankly and honestly (emotions aside), that has little to do with whether they can do something like move in and out of our dimension. (Yeah sounds crazy!) But we are talking about two different issues here actually. Bigfoot as a being that many of us know physically exists, AND what unusual abilities they may or may not possess. Abilities that are repeatedly raised by witnesses and reports. How does this field honestly deal with that segment of information? By continually redacting such elements? That isn't being honest. Once we start cutting off our ability to discuss all possible explanations, well, we all are harmed by not being able to process information adequately. We are left with gaps that never get filled, or properly discounted even, if that turns out to be the case. A pre-conceived notion of what they are or aren't, should not guide discussion IMO

Susi says: Well, There are mysteries abounding in our world, and I do respect your ideas and opinions.

I have always seen BF as a real flesh and blood creature, with the ability to live unrecognized for centuries.

I have read the accounts through out history where they have been shot and killed, and pictures posted in the newspaper in the 1800 hundreds.

They do have an aura of mystery about them.

So I will listen and read reports to see if there are further mysteries to be discovered about this species. Paranormal, Perhaps, after reading your posting, I will now keep an open mind.

Thank you.

Edited April 7, 2011 by Susiq2

[Guest]

OregonMan said:

These creature may leap between universes, hop on UFOs, and talk with God for all I know, but for now I just plan to keep an open mind and see what I see.

Susi says:

Well, I have to say I agree, and I will keep an open mind.

I am aware of, and believe that there is an invisible universe around us.

So I will continue to read these reports, and keep up with these theories.

Thank you.

[BobbyO]

I gave you the name of the boat in the post you quoted. It was a metaphor, though, and I feared some would not get it.

If you want a literal translation, I will do it, but I think it is much more effective in metaphoric form:

I forgot to capitalize it properly, and probably should have put: HMS or USS in front of it like this.

...are in the same boat, The U.S.S. Any Verifiable Evidence?, or H.M.S. Any Verifiable Evidence?

Unless one of the categories can bring some verifiable evidence to the table, they are all on the same boat.

It is not a bad boat, it's name is just very straightforward.

You have an extremely condescending way with words at times..

But that's your problem, not mine..

[Sasfooty]

Why can they not be "flesh & blood creatures" that have evlolved in a somewhat different direction than we have?

Maybe, while we were developing technology to work for us, they were developing their minds to work for them.

[Guest]

We are more and more frequently accepting that they can use Infra-sound right?

Depends on who "we" are. If you mean people who have an extremely low acceptance threshold for things they read in anecdotal accounts, then I'll grant you that a lot of people who believe in bigfoot also believe that bigfoots use infrasound. Personally, I've seen nothing I would consider reliable evidence that things people report as bigfoots use infrasound, nor have I read any compelling arguments for the selective pressure acting on some presumed bipedal hominid that could have resulted in such an ability.

Well what if infra-sound can manipulate these such portals in and out of phase when desired?

What if, indeed? I suspect that if this was the case, elephants would be popping in and out of dimensions rather regularly. I mean, why would the poor beasts walk for days in search of scant water sources during droughts when they could just as easily use their infrasound portal power to zap themselves to some crystal mountain lake?

I'm sure even you can recognize that it may be possible.

In the category of "anything I make up may be possible", then sure, it's possible.

Edited April 7, 2011 by Saskeptic

[BobbyO]

I mentioned three people, Bobby. Scott, John, and Splash. Scott thinks he may have encountered two creatures, John, one, and Splash two creatures on separate occasions, one moving away quadrupedally, the other bidpedally. I do not think they were lying, nor on narcotics, nor insane. Misidentification is something to discuss, but since I think none of it involved invisible Bigfoots in any fashion, it's rather OT, no? Scott's would probably be the closest with the glowing red eyes he reported, but I have really no idea what Scott saw.

Sorry, it was OT you're right, my bad but as i said, i was just curious of your answer, no more than that so thank you for answering..

[Guest]

Why can they not be "flesh & blood creatures" that have evlolved in a somewhat different direction than we have?

They can be flesh and blood creatures that have evolved differently than we have. In fact, by definition as a different species, that would be the case. But evolution works with the natural variability already present in a population. Where's the mechanism through which dimension-hopping evolved?

[Guest]

Speaking for myself, I've had a few instances where things occurred that defy explaination. The only thing that kept me on level ground was to look at the experiences in a NA context. I looked long and hard and dug till I found NA stories that described what may have occurred. Fortunately I had NA friends willing to discuss things in confidence. Also they were willing to go out in the field with me to see for themselves. Still can't scientifically explain what exactly the heck happened, but it was reassuring to find out these things are accepted and somewhat normal to at least one segment of society. Trying to dig up old european stories have yielded little so whether there ever were any I can't say. So far just some bit's a pieces KronprinzAdam has unearthed and Russian stuff further to the west. I find the void interesting tho.

Please tell us about your findings, and will you let us(especially me) know where and when you post it?

I sincerely wish to hear your story. I do understand that there is an unseen universe around us. I've been involved with it, unwillingly, but still that taught me to believe in the unknown.

Please do PM me if you wish to not post for all, and if you do not wish to discuss it at all, that's okay.

[Guest]

Depends on who "we" are. If you mean people have an extremely low acceptance threshold for things they read in anecdotal accounts, then I'll grant you that a lot of people who believe in bigfoot also believe that bigfoots use infrasound. Personally, I've seen nothing I would consider reliable evidence that things people report as bigfoots use infrasound, nor have I read any compelling arguments for the selective pressure acting on some presumed bipedal hominid that could have resulted in such an ability.

I for one have never had an infrasound experience either but I have had many visual and non-visual encounters with bigfoot. They do exist that's for sure. But there does seem to be a high number of people who complain of similar accounts of getting sick and such. There must be something to it.

What if, indeed? I suspect that if this was the case, elephants would be popping in and out of dimensions rather regularly. I mean, why would the poor beasts walk for days in search of scant water sources during droughts when they could just as easily use their infrasound portal power to zap themselves to some crystal mountain lake?

Only if the elephants understood. We're talking about a degree of comprehension here that may be above elephants ability to comprehend, regardless of how intelligent elephants may be. Manipulating frequency and creating harmonics is also something that requires a bit more control, desire, and awareness then elephants are capable of. I suspect it would also be outside of the range of what elephants care about.

In the category of "anything I make up may be possible", then sure, it's possible.

[Sasfooty]

Where's the mechanism through which dimension-hopping evolved?

Ummmm.....In the brain?

[Guest]

Dude, come on. We're having a discussion about invisible bigfoots. Some folks, presumably in defense of the idea of interdimensional travel, presented information about the possibility that such interdimensionality could be demonstrated through experiments underway with the Large Hadron Collider. My comment was a simple and direct way to raise the issue tnat even if such interdimensionality could be demonstrated, it would require vast amounts of energy to access. I am expressing skepticism that a large hairy humanoid that lives in the North American wilds eating berries and scavenging deer could travel interdimensionally without the ability to tap into such energy. In other words, if bigfoots do this, they must have control over tremendous power sources far more technologically advanced than we humans currently have.

Thus, my point was spot-on topic and snarky to no one. It was just humorous and pithy and went over your head.

LOL!

You got me with the "Dude" I could see how you were reaching to bring the point to our attention that massive amounts of energy would be needed. I will retract my statement "NO...in this instance Saskeptic wasn't being Snarky".

Now, that said...could I implore you to swing your "devil's advocate" stance just a little to attack the problem in another way?

(waiting for reply)

[Guest Tsalagi]

Since the idea that Bigfoot could become invisible is being scoffed at, does that mean that the idea presented by some Natives that he can hypnotize also "impossible'? Its said someone who gets too close to him can be rendered incapable of following or shooting. This has been on tv reports.