Face To Face Meeting With Bigfoot

[Guest BitterMonk]

+1000.

[Guest Cervelo]

John,

Once you and I are privy to the special knowledge (first we have to be deemed worthy) it will all be clear! You could not have put it better the condescention is what has always blown my mind! The best part is the "arrogance" wow talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

[ShadowBorn]

My suggestion to skeptics is to unlearn most of what you've been taught and programmed to believe. It would require you putting your pride and arrogance to the side of course. I know there are some individuals who have worked hard for that bachelors or Masters in whatever field. You consider yourselves very knowledgable and grounded, and you are, it's just...we've been living a lie. A lot of the history you studied long and hard to pass in college is fabricated or edited. The equations you've learned are incomplete...everything.

This just that,you have to go into this with skeptismn and to say to your self that "I have to find the truth no matter what the outcome is".Science is going out and trying to find the outcome of things we have no understanding.

[Guest Crowlogic]

I agree with what your saying here, but it still leaves me frustrated as someone who presumes bigfoot is a flesh and blood human relative.

You hint that the nature of bigfoot is something most people aren't even able to conceptualize.

What is your take on the nature of bigfoot? Just what is it?

My take on the nature of Sasquatch/Bigfoot is that most likely they are now extinct having gone so in the last 25 years. If they're still around they're not nearly as widespread as sightings would indicate. That said I maintained that they are/were a relic population of pre human evolved enough to be bipedal but not enough to make tools or use fire. Within that construct that they are/were flesh and blood animals.

Having a strange ultra rare protohuman running about is difficult enough to accept as a flesh and blood animal. Having same that has a supernatural modality is putting it in what I consider a cozy yet indefensible position as a means to keep the mythology going. So once again this new reportage coming out of Oklahoma will sadly amount to nothing.

If it were me I'd have had Dr. Meldrum down there a long time ago. But again sadly Dr. Meldrum will never set foot there. Casts, scat and hair samples all could have been obtained without compromising the location of the so called Bigfoot. It seems fishy to me that none of this has been done.

[Guest Elisi]

My take on the nature of Sasquatch/Bigfoot is that most likely they are now extinct having gone so in the last 25 years. If they're still around they're not nearly as widespread as sightings would indicate. That said I maintained that they are/were a relic population of pre human evolved enough to be bipedal but not enough to make tools or use fire. Within that construct that they are/were flesh and blood animals.

Having a strange ultra rare protohuman running about is difficult enough to accept as a flesh and blood animal. Having same that has a supernatural modality is putting it in what I consider a cozy yet indefensible position as a means to keep the mythology going. So once again this new reportage coming out of Oklahoma will sadly amount to nothing.

If it were me I'd have had Dr. Meldrum down there a long time ago. But again sadly Dr. Meldrum will never set foot there. Casts, scat and hair samples all could have been obtained without compromising the location of the so called Bigfoot. It seems fishy to me that none of this has been done.

But I am not you and I will do nothing to harm the trust that I have built up with them.I don't care about casts,and scat and hair samples.Leave that to the researchers. I am not trying to prove anything.I have said that many times.Yes I have pics of footprints and I hear vocalizations.I have pics of stick structures.I could have 2 people here and they could see the same thing and their thoughts would be different.

Now I can tell you what they like most from my garden. Melons. They would rather have cantaloupe than watermelons. They are not much to eat vegetables other than they do like corn from time to time.

They never leave their very young alone.They are always tended to by an older juvenile.I have watched this. Whether anyone believes me or not has no affect on me.I won't do anything to tear down the trust that I have built with them to allow me to know those things.So if you are even wondering why I would even share anything I know with no scientific verification these are just a very few of the reasons.The main one is my respect for them and for myself.

One thing that I believe is when the scientific proof comes out it will show they are very much like us geneticly.Not like chimps etc but more like us.Have I got scientific proof of that? Nope I surely don't.

[Guest]

Ok, after skating back through what I had dimly remembered from cryptomundo and a few other sources, I assert that this is one of 'Khat Hansens' wild and nonsensical schemes. The wording is almost the same, as are the purported 'qualifications' of this 'shaman' or medicine woman, to a tee, from the same heritage to the similar experiences. Also the laughably different but equally alluring avatars and 'pictures' all of which portrayed her as a very attractive, but oddly different woman each time.

I did some digging at the time of the controversy around 'Khat' or kath back in 2007 and I think the character is a combination of several tenuously related people collated into one persona, one of whom was a long dead Sci-fi writer and Archaeologist, (If I remember correctly..), I can provide more info if needed.

Steer clear of this.

And Midnightowl, I have a good suspicion about your identity, so think on.

My opinion only, as always, and best wishes regardless.

I know this may seem somewhat direct and challenging, but that is the way I was brought up, (some would say 'dragged up'), in the north of England where I was born we call a spade a bloody spade, and to hell with the consequences.

I just sent this to a fellow forum member, and I wish to post it here for our members to read and discuss..I agree about calling a spade a spade, and this is my posting in response to a PM from a new member and I wish to share it..

First off :I believe in BF.

My hope and desire is to help *introduce* this species to the world as a *recognized and accepted* species and to have them put under *federal* protection here in America.

The problems we believers have just dealing with a joked about and ridiculed unknown primate-like creature running around in the woods all over the earth *being recognized* as such are mind boggling, but when we add on certain supernatural abilities BF *may or supposedly* has, the skeptics end up throwing out the entire species, i.e.:Baby with the bathwater..

That is my concern about adding and attributing supernatural abilities to the BF species, irregardless of what supernatural gifts they may actually have, this is just not the time to add this to all of the other hurdles non-believers have in regards to BF which they will have to overcome when the species is revealed as genuine.

One hurdle at a time...Recognition first...then the other *if true* can be handled when all of us know *more* about this species.

[Guest CaptainMorgan]

My suggestion to <insert special interest group here> is to unlearn most of what you've been taught and programmed to believe. It would require you putting your pride and arrogance to the side of course.

I would say the same exact things about most of the folks in the BF community . . . if I were inclined to tell everyone else what they can\can't believe.

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[bipedalist]

...That is my concern about adding and attributing supernatural abilities to the BF species, irregardless of what supernatural gifts they may actually have, this is just not the time to add this to all of the other hurdles non-believers have in regards to BF which they will have to overcome when the species is revealed as genuine.

One hurdle at a time...Recognition first...then the other *if true* can be handled when all of us know *more* about this species...

What, for some, are hurdles are mear minor speed bumps for others. Adding and attributing unusual qualities as interpreted by some may be inherent qualitative observations made by trained observers for others. What is interpreted as supernatural to some is called paranormal by others is called "what I saw and documented" by others. Calling a spade a spade is the way some people roll; others may wish to time their announcements, be "politically correct" and obfuscate. I don't believe there is some universal "science" as to how this is all going to play out or it would have played out twenty or thirty years ago. JMHO and all that.

[georgerm]

I just sent this to a fellow forum member, and I wish to post it here for our members to read and discuss..I agree about calling a spade a spade, and this is my posting in response to a PM from a new member and I wish to share it..

First off :I believe in BF.

My hope and desire is to help *introduce* this species to the world as a *recognized and accepted* species and to have them put under *federal* protection here in America.

The problems we believers have just dealing with a joked about and ridiculed unknown primate-like creature running around in the woods all over the earth *being recognized* as such are mind boggling, but when we add on certain supernatural abilities BF *may or supposedly* has, the skeptics end up throwing out the entire species, i.e.:Baby with the bathwater..

That is my concern about adding and attributing supernatural abilities to the BF species, irregardless of what supernatural gifts they may actually have, this is just not the time to add this to all of the other hurdles non-believers have in regards to BF which they will have to overcome when the species is revealed as genuine.

One hurdle at a time...Recognition first...then the other *if true* can be handled when all of us know *more* about this species.

Well said and true.

[Guest Elisi]

I just sent this to a fellow forum member, and I wish to post it here for our members to read and discuss..I agree about calling a spade a spade, and this is my posting in response to a PM from a new member and I wish to share it..

First off :I believe in BF.

My hope and desire is to help *introduce* this species to the world as a *recognized and accepted* species and to have them put under *federal* protection here in America.

The problems we believers have just dealing with a joked about and ridiculed unknown primate-like creature running around in the woods all over the earth *being recognized* as such are mind boggling, but when we add on certain supernatural abilities BF *may or supposedly* has, the skeptics end up throwing out the entire species, i.e.:Baby with the bathwater..

That is my concern about adding and attributing supernatural abilities to the BF species, irregardless of what supernatural gifts they may actually have, this is just not the time to add this to all of the other hurdles non-believers have in regards to BF which they will have to overcome when the species is revealed as genuine.

One hurdle at a time...Recognition first...then the other *if true* can be handled when all of us know *more* about this species.

I also talk to many people who are new to the Bigfoot World.Do I tell them what to think,no I don't.What I do tell them is when they go to the woods to do their research don't call blast,don't be in a predator hunting mode,just go for the sheer joy of the possibility of having an encounter whether it is hearing footsteps,calls,finding footprints,having their camp checked out or whatever.I don't have a problem with people recording audio or casting footprints.Some research things I do have a problem with but those are my problems. I don't tell them go out and expect anything.I ask them to be respectful and just let things happen without any thought of controling anything.I don't tell them to expect to get a message in their mind.The majority of these new to the bigfoot world do have encounters of the physical kind.They followed a few respectful things is all.

It won't matter what is proven or not proven people will still be stuck in what they can allow themselves to believe.

This thread was about an actual physical encounter.The only part of it that wasn't was the mindspeak MO heard.There were Bigfoot in the physical,not some apparition.They allowed us to see them in the physical.Some won't believe that either but then I talk to lots of people who have physical encounters of a glimpse or hearing them or them being close and people knowing and feeling it and there are those who don't believe them for whatever reason.Just 30 yrs ago most people on this forum would have been listed as nuts that they even believed in the possibility of Bigfoot.Can we scientificly prove this actually happened?The only physical proof is the audio and our word.So????

If you close your mind and say I won't look at that and think about it,you have lost an opportunity.You don't have to believe it but just think about it.I read things all the time I don't understand.I talk to all kinds of people with all kinds of beliefs.I know what I believe and nothing I can read or hear threatens my beliefs whether I listen to something totally different to what I believe,one thing I won't do is negate a possibility.I won't say we won't talk about that until science or anybody else proves it.Proves it to whom? From what I know of the Bigfoot World that could be anybody or nobody.

[Guest]

Susie, the forums aren't where bigfoot will be proven either. (Well unless Mortimer turns out to be the real thing. ) Forums are where thoughts are shared, no matter what those thoughts are. However controversial they may be. When we start saying what can and can't be talked about, well we're right back to the way things once were. Where one has to be afraid of sharing his thoughts. That wasn't a very nice place. At least that's my take.

Re the protection thing, I realize you have a difficult time thinking they may be of human nature, and if they are, well the Endangered Species Act probably won't even apply to them. Meaning, if they are early human, then they are already protected. Protected by the same laws that are there to protect us. Isn't that something to ponder...

And so the mystery would evolve into many unanticipated questions. Why are they so different from us? Why do they grow so large? Why are they hairy? (Of course, we are the ones who probably lack the-hair-all-over-the body gene. lol And actually, we do have hair (follicles) all over our body.) While some may not want to discuss such things as telepathy, assuming it is a true part of them, the claims that they have a mental capability that we do not will continue. The topic has always been there. The forums had to make rules to prevent being able to talk about it like adults. Yeah censorship solves mysteries just fine. If its truth, it can't be simply dumbed down so as to prevent discussion. That's not science either. These elements are simply part them and of that paradigm shift we as a whole have not yet come to understand. There will be a lot of strange stuff fall in place I think. Stuff that people want to ignore, but ironically those same things may become the center of discussion someday. We will probably put lots of scientific resources into understanding 'why' if they have certain abilities, then 'why' don't we? That is if our DNA appears so similar. Heck it may even become part of our own evolutionary path too. And sadly, the military will probably want to exploit those capabilities as well.

Science will go wherever the discoveries take them. If there is ample evidence of this mindspeak or telepathy, well there are plenty of scientists who will be very interested in that. The mystery is still the species' existence itself, all the extra stuff won't change things when actual evidence of the species comes forth. Besides, the test tube scientists have rarely been the behavior scientists. Did you know that even Jane Goodall once came forward willing to acknowledge the existence of telepathy. She was given a hard time for it by her peers, but she did it. Sure, the Hundredth Monkey experiment may or may not have had flaws (another debate I suppose), but you can bet that she long suspected the trait being present in her own primate subjects. And that's likely why she welcomed the study results with open arms. I suspect there are plenty more scientists of her kind who are more open to this then you think too Susie. They may not wear it on their sleeve, but they do research it. Both government and universities have put millions of dollars into studying these things. There are many universities that have included parapsychology in their curriculum. Its taken more seriously by various circles then most realize.

Edited June 13, 2011 by PragmaticTheorist

[Guest Crowlogic]

But I am not you and I will do nothing to harm the trust that I have built up with them.I don't care about casts,and scat and hair samples.Leave that to the researchers. I am not trying to prove anything.I have said that many times.Yes I have pics of footprints and I hear vocalizations.I have pics of stick structures.I could have 2 people here and they could see the same thing and their thoughts would be different.

Now I can tell you what they like most from my garden. Melons. They would rather have cantaloupe than watermelons. They are not much to eat vegetables other than they do like corn from time to time.

They never leave their very young alone.They are always tended to by an older juvenile.I have watched this. Whether anyone believes me or not has no affect on me.I won't do anything to tear down the trust that I have built with them to allow me to know those things.So if you are even wondering why I would even share anything I know with no scientific verification these are just a very few of the reasons.The main one is my respect for them and for myself.

One thing that I believe is when the scientific proof comes out it will show they are very much like us geneticly.Not like chimps etc but more like us.Have I got scientific proof of that? Nope I surely don't.

Well you're upholding you position of not attempting to prove anything. But you are upholding a position of reporting. What you need to understand is that each and everything you've said about your experiences has been said many times before. And many times before its all come to nothing. In fact the failure rate of providing proof is 100%. I assure you that contacting Jane Goodall would in the long and short run not be betraying any trust. If there's anyone on the planet worthy of direct knowledge it is Jane Goodall. Consider this you have gained a trust you say. So what makes you sure that it would be impossible to have others gain that trust and what makes you sure that you are uniquely entitled to that trust?. Dr. Goodall has indeed learned how to gain the trust of our primate relatives.

[Guest Elisi]

Well you're upholding you position of not attempting to prove anything. But you are upholding a position of reporting. What you need to understand is that each and everything you've said about your experiences has been said many times before. And many times before its all come to nothing. In fact the failure rate of providing proof is 100%. I assure you that contacting Jane Goodall would in the long and short run not be betraying any trust. If there's anyone on the planet worthy of direct knowledge it is Jane Goodall. Consider this you have gained a trust you say. So what makes you sure that it would be impossible to have others gain that trust and what makes you sure that you are uniquely entitled to that trust?. Dr. Goodall has indeed learned how to gain the trust of our primate relatives.

I never said I was entitled to that trust other than I have respect.If my being respectful and having no ulterior motive creates that trust then that is how it is.If you had read what I said you would have saw where I said there are no chosen. Many people have gained their trust I am no one special for sure. Why would you think I don't understand what I have said has been said before?I am in no way unique.Most people won't talk about it.I know many people who have the BF's trust but you won't see them on this forum and most of them not anywhere.For the very reason that has been shown here at different times through out this thread.

I have great respect for Jane Goodall and all she has done. She has been asked about the Bigfoot before and I am sure you can find that somewhere on the web.I can guarantee you if Jane Goodall came here it would be a circus of reporters and researchers etc.No way is she ever going to be able to do anything without many knowing it.It also took her a long time to totally gain the trust of the primate relatives she worked and lived with.

The Bigfoot are not the same type as what she worked with.I would not nor could I ask them to accept her or anyone else for that matter.

I will give the simple of why I continue to share these experiences.It comes partly from my culture and partly from life lived.I already know and hear the snickers and the remarks of oh that is just Native American nonsense because I have heard that many times.It is nothing new to me or many many tribal people all over the world.

Our elders tell us when the Bigfoot begin to show themselves more and more they are bringing us a message.A very long time ago before the time of disrespect came we lived side by side as neighbors.Many call them another tribe.Respect is a hard thing for most people to grasp.Some don't respect much of anything.Some trash everything whether it is the Earth,water each other and even don't respect themselves.How many times have people said to themselves when they do something,"why did I do that,that was so stupid" or "I can't do anything right" or "I am such an idiot" to telling others the same thing.Our Bigfoot stories taught respect.The Bigfoot know we are trashing their homes as we trash our own. Some of them do want a relationship with us again because they know we can literally destroy where we live.You can laugh at this as ancient fairy tales or in whatever way you choose but disrespect is rampant on this Earth.

I share what my experiences are to at least let people see what respect can do.As you said I am not trying to prove anything.

[Guest]

Well said and true.

Thank you most humbly.

I am sincerely trying to express my honest concerns about the BF species and their many abilities being too hyped up and possibly causing people to turn away from this inquiry into BF's possible paranormal abilities which I believe that today is the first time I have ever heard anything about.

We believers here know that BF exists.

BF easily may have all sorts of paranormal abilities that I am not aware of.

I just hesitate to jump on this extraordinary new to me information regarding their abilities to speak to each other and to us humans(If I am understanding correctly) by BF reading other Bf and us human thoughts and minds and having those thoughts and ideas from BF projected into our minds and thoughts?.!

What does BF sound like when he speaks into our minds?

Does BF understand us, and/or can we understand their language?

Do the BF here speak English, and do they all speak the language of the country that they inhabit?

Do they have their own language?

How can we understand a language we do not speak?

Do they project "pictures" into our thoughts to communicate with us?

Can they read our minds and the mind pictures we could have and be thinking about(Like running away in terror which I'm pretty sure I'd be thinking about if I were not prepared to encounter a BF at that moment, and did *not*have the very well armed 101st Airborne unit with me, in fact, surrounding me?

I've been into everything BF for over 30 years, and today is the first time that I have heard about these particular paranormal abilities.

So they speak the language of the country which they inhabit?

I am amazed that this is the first time that I have **ever** heard anything at all regarding this extraordinary ability.

I truly do not know what to think except that it seems to me that we should have heard about this talent *before* today.( in my case at least.)

[Guest]

Susie, the forums aren't where bigfoot will be proven either. (Well unless Mortimer turns out to be the real thing. ) Forums are where thoughts are shared, no matter what those thoughts are. However controversial they may be. When we start saying what can and can't be talked about, well we're right back to the way things once were. Where one has to be afraid of sharing his thoughts. That wasn't a very nice place. At least that's my take.

Re the protection thing, I realize you have a difficult time thinking they may be of human nature, and if they are, well the Endangered Species Act probably won't even apply to them. Meaning, if they are early human, then they are already protected. Protected by the same laws that are there to protect us. Isn't that something to ponder...

And so the mystery would evolve into many unanticipated questions. Why are they so different from us? Why do they grow so large? Why are they hairy? (Of course, we are the ones who probably lack the-hair-all-over-the body gene. lol And actually, we do have hair (follicles) all over our body.) While some may not want to discuss such things as telepathy, assuming it is a true part of them, the claims that they have a mental capability that we do not will continue. The topic has always been there. The forums had to make rules to prevent being able to talk about it like adults. Yeah censorship solves mysteries just fine. If its truth, it can't be simply dumbed down so as to prevent discussion. That's not science either. These elements are simply part them and of that paradigm shift we as a whole have not yet come to understand. There will be a lot of strange stuff fall in place I think. Stuff that people want to ignore, but ironically those same things may become the center of discussion someday. We will probably put lots of scientific resources into understanding 'why' if they have certain abilities, then 'why' don't we? That is if our DNA appears so similar. Heck it may even become part of our own evolutionary path too. And sadly, the military will probably want to exploit those capabilities as well.

Science will go wherever the discoveries take them. If there is ample evidence of this mindspeak or telepathy, well there are plenty of scientists who will be very interested in that. The mystery is still the species' existence itself, all the extra stuff won't change things when actual evidence of the species comes forth. Besides, the test tube scientists have rarely been the behavior scientists. Did you know that even Jane Goodall once came forward willing to acknowledge the existence of telepathy. She was given a hard time for it by her peers, but she did it. Sure, the Hundredth Monkey experiment may or may not have had flaws (another debate I suppose), but you can bet that she long suspected the trait being present in her own primate subjects. And that's likely why she welcomed the study results with open arms. I suspect there are plenty more scientists of her kind who are more open to this then you think too Susie. They may not wear it on their sleeve, but they do research it. Both government and universities have put millions of dollars into studying these things. There are many universities that have included parapsychology in their curriculum. Its taken more seriously by various circles then most realize.

to you my friend. Thank you from the bottom of my heart..