Twist Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 9:35 PM, BlackRockBigfoot said: Is there ANYONE in this thread who is passionately advocating for e-DNA testing currently involved with the collection and submission of samples that they have collected on the field… more specifically the air and water samples that have been discussed here? If so, can you share some of your findings as well as some photos of your collection methods. Real world stuff, not hypotheticals or something that you read about online. Can you explain the costs that you have personally incurred and compare those costs to the results that you have been able to produce? Perhaps this would make a good case for getting others involved. If not, can you explain why you are raking other members over the coals for not engaging in costly research that you yourself are currently not doing yourself? Expand @hiflier These are some good questions posed by BRB. 1) How many samples have you collected? 2) How many have successfully been sent to a test center and resulted in DNA results? 3) How many if any came back with Human or listed as contaminated? 4) How much on average did each test cost you and what was the time it took to get results? Could you please answer these directly? It will probably help people get an idea of what they may be in for. And I am speaking any form of DNA, be it physical sample or E-DNA, soil, water, or air? Thanks in advance. 1 1
BlackRockBigfoot Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 10:42 PM, Twist said: @hiflier These are some good questions posed by BRB. 1) How many samples have you collected? 2) How many have successfully been sent to a test center and resulted in DNA results? 3) How many if any came back with Human or listed as contaminated? 4) How much on average did each test cost you and what was the time it took to get results? Could you please answer these directly? It will probably help people get an idea of what they may be in for. And I am speaking any form of DNA, be it physical sample or E-DNA, soil, water, or air? Thanks in advance. Expand Twist stated this far better than I did.
hiflier Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 10:00 PM, norseman said: When and if this equipment is affordable and available to the layman like you and I, is anyone’s guess! Expand You must have glossed over that part.
hiflier Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 10:42 PM, Twist said: @hiflier These are some good questions posed by BRB. 1) How many samples have you collected? 2) How many have successfully been sent to a test center and resulted in DNA results? 3) How many if any came back with Human or listed as contaminated? 4) How much on average did each test cost you and what was the time it took to get results? Could you please answer these directly? It will probably help people get an idea of what they may be in for. And I am speaking any form of DNA, be it physical sample or E-DNA, soil, water, or air? Thanks in advance. Expand Sure, Twist. 1) 2) 3) 4)
norseman Posted March 9, 2022 Admin Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 1:24 AM, hiflier said: You must have glossed over that part. Expand You must have glossed over the entire article. Good luck.
Twist Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) On 3/9/2022 at 1:26 AM, hiflier said: Sure, Twist. 1) 2) 3) 4) Expand @hiflier Your silence is deafening. Edited March 9, 2022 by Twist 1
hiflier Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) On 3/8/2022 at 10:00 PM, norseman said: When and if this equipment is affordable and available to the layman like you and I, is anyone’s guess! Expand Yes, it's VERY expensive stuff. One of the setups in Copenhagen cost nearly 20 bucks. Certainly out of reach for most. Edited March 9, 2022 by hiflier
hiflier Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 1:47 AM, Twist said: @hiflier Your silence is deafening. Expand I answered. Interpret it as you deem fit. 1
norseman Posted March 9, 2022 Admin Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 1:51 AM, hiflier said: Yes, it's VERY expensive stuff. One of the setups in Copenhagen cost nearly 20 bucks. Certainly out of reach for most. Expand Yah? Sure! Just duct tape a furnace filter to yer grill and drive around. I’m sure you will have Bigfoot discovered in a week!
Patterson-Gimlin Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 1:53 AM, hiflier said: I answered. Interpret it as you deem fit. Expand Awesome answer. Love the honesty. 😃 1
hiflier Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 1:55 AM, norseman said: Yah? Sure! Just duct tape a furnace filter to yer grill and drive around. I’m sure you will have Bigfoot discovered in a week! Expand Hey, whatever loads yer gun But that's the basic idea. Applying duct tape with unpowdered latex gloves though could be a challenge. LOL.
hiflier Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 2:01 AM, Patterson-Gimlin said: Awesome answer. Love the honesty. 😃 Expand Thanks, I thought it was all pretty clear....and, above all, honest. Because even no answer is an answer, right? I see it all the time here when I ask questions.
Huntster Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 3:11 AM, hiflier said: ........Because even no answer is an answer, right?......... Expand It is to me. So how do you interpret the perfect and complete silence of the California Department of Fish and Game and USFS for the 50+ years after the Patterson film?
hiflier Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 3:40 AM, Huntster said: It is to me. So how do you interpret the perfect and complete silence of the California Department of Fish and Game and USFS for the 50+ years after the Patterson film? Expand I guess I could interpret it as they are hiding something by ignoring the PGF. But an opinion could be better formed if someone had actually ASKED them what they thought of the film Has that ever happened?
Huntster Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 4:02 AM, hiflier said: ........an opinion could be better formed if someone had actually ASKED them what they thought of the film Has that ever happened? Expand This is the only USFS statement I know of on sasquatch, and it makes no mention of the Patterson film, despite mentioning that California features lots of reports. https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2015/04/01/loss-space-threatening-north-american-sasquatch
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