roguefooter Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 The act of collecting recordings always has it's benefits, even if some get misidentified, they can always be relabled and we all learn. You seem to be asserting that you've identified some. So I'm curious which ones. The whole point of a database is to minimize misidentification beforehand, which would be particularly useful in a field that's been mocked from the beginning. There have been many over the years that have been misidentified, Youtube is full of examples. There was also the 'AAAHHH' sound that you attributed to being a Bigfoot mimicking a crow. If a known animal makes the same sound then it should be labeled a misidentification. Not hyped as a possibility of something unknown. The use of data bases or sound libraries and time spent in the outdoors should not be assumed. Once again, where did I say people don't use databases? As far as time spent in the outdoors- I've been told so many times on this forum that I don't spend time in the woods (even though I've literally spent months straight in the woods through my old job), that there was no reason to see it as being an issue. Nobody on board seems to have a problem tossing this assumption around, so why is it suddenly an issue now? So am I to look forward to your contributions in building a sound library? I already posted links to several sounds in this thread, all one has to do is copy them.
Guest Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 Online wildlife sound library ... http://macaulaylibrary.org/ Don't be a jerk and spend half a second looking at the page and tell me it's all birds, scroll to the bottom of the page... yah under the "browse by taxonomy" heading ...
Guest DWA Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 ^^^Listen, Flash, you go on with this facts and sources and logic stuff and I'm gonna report you. We were having a good evidence-free fight here! This really isn't hard, gang. What's the sound? Browse whatever sources you can find. If you don't find the sound, you have an anomalous sound. One classic contribution of bigfoot research to biology was when two proponents - all serious debunking is done by the proponents - found out that the Chehalis Sounds were a previously unrecognized coyote vocalization. It really doesn't do any good to say "this was that" when you can't prove it. Skeptics saying it aren't doing any better than proponents saying it.
southernyahoo Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 The whole point of a database is to minimize misidentification beforehand, which would be particularly useful in a field that's been mocked from the beginning. There have been many over the years that have been misidentified, Youtube is full of examples. There was also the 'AAAHHH' sound that you attributed to being a Bigfoot mimicking a crow. If a known animal makes the same sound then it should be labeled a misidentification. Not hyped as a possibility of something unknown. Once again, where did I say people don't use databases? As far as time spent in the outdoors- I've been told so many times on this forum that I don't spend time in the woods (even though I've literally spent months straight in the woods through my old job), that there was no reason to see it as being an issue. Nobody on board seems to have a problem tossing this assumption around, so why is it suddenly an issue now? I already posted links to several sounds in this thread, all one has to do is copy them. There was also the 'AAAHHH' sound that you attributed to being a Bigfoot mimicking a crow. Go ahead and find my exact words and quote them. You'll see a word or two missing from this quote. I said it was humanlike and also like a crow's call. You said footers don't spend enough time in the outdoors. Though it is they who have the evidence to show for it. Yes, many people cliam alot of time out there, but without the recordings we don't know what they've heard. I think the ahhhhh vocals are from a hominin, and your cat calls don't confirm anything on your assertion they aren't. Maybe we'll have a closer look at that later.
roguefooter Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 ^First off, I didn't say all Bigfooters. The evidence presented shows a lot of them appear to be unfamiliar with many animal sounds- this is not a big deal, although there are those who are ridiculously sensitive to just about anything considered criticism. A data base would be helpful, but then again it seems most in this field are content without assistance. Right now the public sees Bigfooting as a mock field presenting foxes howling and footage of Chewbacca costumes, so if everyone is okay with that then drive on. I'm just a fencesitter with no horse in this race- any way that it goes I'll still find it entertaining.
roguefooter Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Online wildlife sound library ... http://macaulaylibrary.org/ Don't be a jerk and spend half a second looking at the page and tell me it's all birds, scroll to the bottom of the page... yah under the "browse by taxonomy" heading ... That's a good site. Why would anybody be a jerk about it? Wasn't a database the whole point behind the debate?
southernyahoo Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 ^First off, I didn't say all Bigfooters. The evidence presented shows a lot of them appear to be unfamiliar with many animal sounds- this is not a big deal, although there are those who are ridiculously sensitive to just about anything considered criticism. A data base would be helpful, but then again it seems most in this field are content without assistance. Right now the public sees Bigfooting as a mock field presenting foxes howling and footage of Chewbacca costumes, so if everyone is okay with that then drive on. I'm just a fencesitter with no horse in this race- any way that it goes I'll still find it entertaining. You should not misrepresent what someone say's on this forum. I choose my words carefully when I make claims about evidence. I will call you when you slip up. I think it's pretty obvious that a majority of 'Bigfooters' don't spend much time outdoors, so a sound reference guide would be a good idea. Don't act like you didn't have me lumped into that Rogue, I still got more to entertain you with on the ahhh screams. The sound file library is a good idea and many of us have our own, plus what we can find elsewhere. Some of us footers have a facebook group where we share and vett our recordings among ourselves. I wouldn't expect you to know that.
roguefooter Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 You should not misrepresent what someone say's on this forum. You're right, I left out the human element. You stated that you attributed the sound to a large primate, which you clarified as being a great ape or Hominin. You also stated the sound "could be described as a mimic of a crow". If I misrepresented then I apologize. I expect the same from you. Don't act like you didn't have me lumped into that Rogue, I still got more to entertain you with on the ahhh screams. Well sure, I feel that you're mistaken on those calls. Are you exempt from making mistakes or something? Why do you take it so offensively?
roguefooter Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) You said footers don't spend enough time in the outdoors. Though it is they who have the evidence to show for it. That comment was in direct response to the claim made by Branco: "Anyone one who has spent significant time outside their house in the city, or out in the boonies would know in a heart beat those sounds were made by cats." How many in this community know in a heart beat what sounds were made by cats or any other animal? Based on his claim and what we see being presented as Bigfoot sounds, you would have to conclude that the majority of Bigfooters must not be spending significant time outdoors. Edited October 12, 2013 by roguefooter
southernyahoo Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 That comment was in direct response to the claim made by Branco: "Anyone one who has spent significant time outside their house in the city, or out in the boonies would know in a heart beat those sounds were made by cats." How many in this community know in a heart beat what sounds were made by cats or any other animal? Based on his claim and what we see being presented as Bigfoot sounds, you would have to conclude that the majority of Bigfooters must not be spending significant time outdoors. If we don't hear a sound well enough, we simply leave it unanswered as to what it is. Certain sounds remain that way until they are recorded better or are caught in association with known sounds and from the same subject or, when the animal is sighted making them. There is nothing wrong with having a collection of unidentified sounds that are like but perhaps not exactly like knowns. There is some subtleties in recordings that are interesting to me and may always be. I don't think people should take all recordings presented as interesting to someone to mean they are claiming it's bigfoot. We know that if bigfoot exists it makes sounds, it's an inescapable consequence of existence, so we focus on the sounds that are most like a primate or hominin. Sometimes other mammals get in the mix, true enough, and this is why we record. I'm sure I could expand your knowledge of coyote vocals just with my own files.
norseman Posted October 12, 2013 Admin Author Posted October 12, 2013 That comment was in direct response to the claim made by Branco: "Anyone one who has spent significant time outside their house in the city, or out in the boonies would know in a heart beat those sounds were made by cats." How many in this community know in a heart beat what sounds were made by cats or any other animal? Based on his claim and what we see being presented as Bigfoot sounds, you would have to conclude that the majority of Bigfooters must not be spending significant time outdoors. This cuts both ways....... Humans do not spend enough time out doors anymore. So while its obvious that people are going out there and hearing a known animal and attributing it to Sasquatch? Is there sounds, tracks, scat and sightings being dismissed as known animals by skeptical people because Sasquatch isn't in the field guide?
Guest DWA Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Well, the entire 'skeptical' take on sasquatch can be summed up: They either don't spend enough time outside, or don't spend enough time thinking about the time they spend outside. Occam, my friend....... Well, if we were listening to Occam we would have had our specimen in 1968.
Incorrigible1 Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 "Gesundheit" That might have been more appropriate had I posted "schadenfreude."
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