Oh Dear, Another Body...

[Matt Pruitt]

Randy said that Ed chose to contact the MARBC because they operated primarily in Oklahoma, which is where Ed's group operated. Randy didn't say anything about Ed living close to where "Daisy" was captured.

[Guest]

Yes, every few months or so they come up with a new scheme to use the BFF to scare up a few more memberships. I was an unwitting participant 2 or 3 schemes ago when they casually mentioned a potential "foot" in a chat I was in, only to chastise me for making a thread about it the next day (I was new) and then throwing their hands up and saying "well the cat's out of the bag now- sign up if you want to see pictures!"

Unfortunately, they seem to be a-okay with building a reputation for this type of thing as of late.

Well , the partial foot was sitting at a table for all to see at the symposium this year. available for all to see. You were not a pawn. Sorry you feel used, and sorry you bring that up continually as a point of contention for you. Everything I said about the foot was true and eventually sitting for examination.

Complain about it if you must.

@ driveroperator

thanks for the information

don't know if you can answer this, is the pressure plate used to close a door or is it used in a different manner ?

I only know about the pressure plate(s) as it was used and developed with the tissue traps. I think that is where the pressure plates began to be used and tweaked.

I don't mean to nitpick, but these people that you know the names of- have you ever verified that they are actual people? I.E. their address, phone number, pictures, anything? What professions are they in? Any info at all /

Tim B.

Why would I need to? Myself and DW sat down with Ed and I saw enough to convince me., and even more.

A cynical person might think this was just a ploy to get sign ups....

...so don't sign up. Be cynical if you choose, you and I both are free to choose.

Randy said that Ed chose to contact the MARBC because they operated primarily in Oklahoma, which is where Ed's group operated. Randy didn't say anything about Ed living close to where "Daisy" was captured.

Thanks Matt, we did not choose Ed, he chose us, and became friends in the process. Proximity was one reason, what he saw and investigated about what we do was another. He needed people to replicate their findings, and we were the closest he could get to people in the field.

Edited December 31, 2012 by driveroperator

[TimB]

What is it you saw then?

Tim B.

[Guest]

Randy said that Ed chose to contact the MARBC because they operated primarily in Oklahoma, which is where Ed's group operated. Randy didn't say anything about Ed living close to where "Daisy" was captured.

ok misread that part. My apologies, im on my tablet

Ok, I'll take Randy's word that Ed Smith is a real person. I still would like to see at least one photo or video. It strikes me as odd that someone who is so "well known" in the MABRC community. ( speaking in general, not that he is a member ) and has been in the headlines more than once in the Bigfoot Community....but no one has a photo of him? I guess those of us who are interested in the "Daisy" story are just trying to peel back the layers here to get to the source of the truth. Ok, so we cant have any photos of this captured specimen, so we look into this group Quantra, ok we cant really find any info on them...we then look at the person who broke this story...ed smith. Yet we are still left with even more questions.

[bipedalist]

Forum members. I can see it.

So were you blinded by the light, EH?!

[Guest reelback]

I have refrained from saying too much, Because I did not want to muddy the waters. The fact that I am an MABRC member means you will give me little to no credit for saying this, But I will say it anyway,

Ed Smith is a real person. I have visited with Ed Smith, Had dinner with him. Got an in depth look into their operations down in Oklahoma. I did see some evidence that secured for me the fact that Ed into something big. The limiting factor for most researchers to not be successful, is funding. Even the big money researchers like BFRO are woefully underfunded. Ed Smith and his group does not have that problem.

The scale of their operation would boggle your mind. It involves leasing lands and long term 'hands off approach' with their set-ups. Engineered triangulated sound towers to locate precise locations of tree knocks and vocals. 24 to 36 ft angle iron towers topped with the type of thermal camera's you see on the bottom of helicopters, with the ability to zoom in for a mile or more. Ground sensors placed in area's of observations of travel, along fences etc. all fed into computers to give real time feed back as to whether or not something walking is bipedal or quadruped. fed back at the same time a thermal video is taken. Then after a video was taken, while the image was still on screen, not moving the thermal camera's they can overlay a man standing in the same spot for size comparisons. Some of the video shots also resulted in hair, tissue and even blood from briars found from the travel path of the bigfoot.

Ed was the first to show us how to collect samples and document. First, you video the whole process, use packaged tweezers, packaged q-tips, and rubber gloves to take samples and bag them and seal the bag. All video taped.

In the beginning, some of the labs would not have taken on the job of DNA study without the video showing how the samples were retrieved and not contaminated.

The details go on and on...It all started years ago when these 6 guy's who were all friends, were in college together. All working on higher degree's. One night they were discussing things as young men do, and the topic of bigfoot came up. To make a long story short, 3 of the 6 men had encounters with a creature we know as bigfoot. Ed's encounter is quite amazing, as he was hiking alone along the Illinois river in North Oklahoma, I believe he encountered 3, and got hit in the back by a rock from a squatch standing knee deep in the river while he faced the other two....he vacated quickly back to where his vehicle was parked and was escorted as some people are when they have a wooded encounter. Because of the sighting by 3 of them, they started playing around with the idea of why there has been no evidence....much like we all have pondered.After college at some point they put their plan in motion, Lots of money ( i believe a trust fund was some of the money used)

They initially had a 10 year plan, Ed Smith got ansy, and wanted to replicate their findings from their research with other researchers in different locations...they needed this as part of the scientific process. Ed started posting to the MABRC and revealed to us what they needed. So we tried to help. This was 4 years ago.

So people ask WHY? is the MABRC who Ed chose to contact. Well, because it was located somewhat close to where Ed lived, had 200 researchers they could have help to replicate their experiments. You can't really belong to a group and not develop friendships, so that is where we have progressed to now. Ed was always the one pushing to share their info to get to where they wanted to get to, after 10 years he was getting tired of the 2 week stretches in the command trailers on location ,manning the thermals and computer equipment. The other 5 guy's were not as eager to share as Ed was. So they clashed sometimes about releasing content. So then this past year there was a change of business plans, Ed was tired....and then all of a sudden, here we are with what has transpired.

I am sure some will not be happy with me sharing this. I hope it gives you a better understanding. believe me when I tell you, this is only a speck of the depth of all they have done and documented, I just can't put it all down in an appropriate timeline. You will just have to be satisfied...surely some here have read some of the Ed Smith threads of research over at the MABRC.

Sorry on that last post, I could not get it to post so i clicked on the full editor, then when it posted, it was all running together...oh well.

This is so fantastical that it just cant be made up right?

I'm sorry, we dont know eachother but you've said nothing here that compels me to think this is anything more than a hoax.

You're describing the Hollywood movie equivalent of the CIA or those secret government agencies where you walk in the room and there are all these magical computers that can do anything.

Were any of this true, its pretty selfish to the species and community. There are people out there that want to kill one. They need protection and rights. If this fantasy is anything more than a group that plays paintball in the woods and they have any form of evidence, then it should be released.

But it wont be, because this is a hoax. And by the way, even if this Ed guy was real, you've never seen any of this equipment. Its all 3rd hand.

Edited December 31, 2012 by reelback

[Guest]

Wow, Thank you Reelback for clearing this all up. I guess There is nothing more to post, you've got it all figured out. I see that I have done all I can here.

SimplySkyla,

I could just post a picture of me. Something tells me I don't need to prove I am real though. LOL

Edited December 31, 2012 by driveroperator

[Guest reelback]

You're a person, but nobody knows who you really are.

I'm sorry you're offended for me pointing out the obvious, but hey I guess some people think they should be taken at their word on an internet forum.

Ever heard the saying that "extrordinary claims require extraordinary proof"? This is an example.

Edited December 31, 2012 by reelback

[Guest]

Wow, Thank you Reelback for clearing this all up. I guess There is nothing more to post, you've got it all figured out. I see that I have done all I can here.

SimplySkyla,

I could just post a picture of me. Something tells me I don't need to prove I am real though. LOL

No need randy, I already saw a video of you on youtube. lol So I know you are real. As for Ed....Im still wondering.

[Guest reelback]

No need randy, I already saw a video of you on youtube. lol So I know you are real. As for Ed....Im still wondering.

Their site is still super slow. I've no doubt driveroperator is real and does research, I just dont think its fair to us to make these claims and not be able to back them up.

Edited December 31, 2012 by reelback

[Guest VioletX]

The whole operation from DO's post, sounds so fantastic and unbelievable.

I am getting the picture that if this was real that with the amount of effort put into it that the members would begin to become obsessive about their work and covetous of any evidence to the point of being unwilling to share it to the public.

I hope that the Quantra members, should they exist... will be generous enough to even speak to us soon.

[Guest apaulo]

DriveOperator, Wow, great in-depth post. I may be gullible but your post makes this capture seem possible, so thanks for taking the time. Please keep us informed with any inside knowledge you have, it is appreciated. We are all sitting here wondering if the wait for definitive proof is finally coming to an end, and what will happen post-Daisy.

[Guest]

Randy,

I don't know enough about you to make any kind of judgement on your character, so I certainly won't. I only hope this is all true and not fantasy.

<sigh>

[Guest]

Well , the partial foot was sitting at a table for all to see at the symposium this year. available for all to see. You were not a pawn. Sorry you feel used, and sorry you bring that up continually as a point of contention for you. Everything I said about the foot was true and eventually sitting for examination.

Complain about it if you must.

I only know about the pressure plate(s) as it was used and developed with the tissue traps. I think that is where the pressure plates began to be used and tweaked.

Why would I need to? Myself and DW sat down with Ed and I saw enough to convince me., and even more.

...so don't sign up. Be cynical if you choose, you and I both are free to choose.

Thanks Matt, we did not choose Ed, he chose us, and became friends in the process. Proximity was one reason, what he saw and investigated about what we do was another. He needed people to replicate their findings, and we were the closest he could get to people in the field.

Thanks for reminding me, I forgot to mention the bitter defensiveness that accompanies each membership-grab. I'm not here to get into symantics with you, DO, I'm sure the foot was on display somewhere for all to see. The point is that there was a time it was cool and new and you had to sign up to see it (like always).

I also believe that you guys are serious about the work you do, and I KNOW you guys work hard at it. It's just too bad that you are starting to be noticed for all the wrong reasons, instead of the hard work you guys do. Doing stuff like this is transparent, ugly, and quite frankly beneath your organization.

[Guest]

I've read a lot of driveoperator's stuff and it is a very good read. See, he's one of the folks over there that seem to be as legit as some of the good folks here.

This info does actually make me pause, whereas before I absolutely considered the Smith information to be unreliable. Now I have questions. Thank you for sharing that.