Oh Dear, Another Body...

[Guest]

The invisible kind.

[Branco]

Branco: what type unclassified primate is this? Do you know?

I'm sorry, but which primate? The one someone is claiming to have captured recently?

[Guest SquatchinNY]

The one this whole thread is about..."Daisy".

[Guest apaulo]

I hate to clutter this thread with idle chatter, because Melissa and DriveOperator have some relevant info to post and its hard track in all these pages of speculation. But here is my speculation. The purpose of the bridge group is to get the buzz out without releasing pictures. The release of information will be tightly controlled by the party that buys the specimen from Quantra for upwards of 22 million. The first public to view it will have to pay a premium for the privilege. It will be a spectacle like no other. Then Daisy will escape and climb the Empire State Building.

[Branco]

The one this whole thread is about..."Daisy".

I don't have a clue. Didn't know the original players had sold their "franchise". But I have really been wondering and thinking about when this deal was done, and when and where the "capture" actually occurred. This whole thing hinges on whether or not the animal allegely captured is actually a Bigfoot or some other unclassified primate. Since there is no known BF body to compare it with, they may have captured a Skunk/Swamp ape and not know the difference. I guess they've already decided whatever it is, it's gotta be a BF. Wonder how the DNA's of all those samples are gonna pair up?

Edited January 9, 2013 by Branco

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

I've seen enough evidence now that Team Quantra is a figment of someones wild imagination. Did Ed Smith tell you MABRC people how he was using proxies to make threats on the JREF? Yes, there are people here who know about that.

This is probably going to be one of the biggest hoaxes that has happened in a while. Ed Smith supporters are likely either really clueless individuals or just plain hoaxers. The "I know Ed Smith" game isn't working.

[Guest]

Play by Play, Updated:

• Dec. 27, 2012: First reported on MABRC forum & Facebook, followed by Bigfoot Evidence.
  
• Report was of a text message leaked by Ed Smith.
  
• The text was sent by a member of Team Quantra, formally ORIG-6.
  
• The text stated "Daisy is in the Box", which is a code phrase for a Bigfoot (possibly Female) has been captured.
  
• The Rumour Mill fires up.
  
• Dec. 27, 2012: D.W. Lee does not deny the capture, and states that it did not happen in Oklahoma.
  
• Dec. 28, 2012: Bigfoot Evidence reports that the Bigfoot Chicks interviewed D.W. Lee, who stated a trap was specially designed with a trigger set to close if a 350+ pound weight steps on a plate, and that a team of privately contracted scientist will examine the evidence.
  
• Dec. 28, 2012: Ed Smith reports that the Bigfoot was moved from the capture site to the examination site during the early morning hours (12 miles between the two sites).
  
• MABRC website crashes due to too many hits.
  
• Tim Fasano says something false and not worth mentioning.
  
• MABRC get their website back up and running.
  
• D.W. Lee states that Ed Smith will be posting a 90 page document regarding the capture.
  
• Dec. 29, 2012: More Rumours. Matt Moneymaker claims that no bigfoot has been captured. (I guess he's protecting his tv show, after all, Matt's out of work if Bigfoot is actually found; step aside Amateurs, step in Scientists)
  
• Ed Smith states that he will not provide any further updates, and that any updates will come directly from Team Quantra.
  
• D.W. Lee, MABRC Executive Director, has referenced us as people on the blogs, and we've been told to be patient.
  
• Dec. 30, 2012: Midnight, BFF member and member of MABRC, Driveroperator, explains what he knows about "Team Quantra" & Ed Smith: A group of wealthy and technologically gifted college friends who have, for the past decade, been researching an area in Oklahoma with success, however Ed Smith was too eager to go public and therefore left the group. Ed says he left because between work, family & Bigfoot something had to go. MABRC was the organization of choice for "Team Quantra" due to Geographic convenience.
  
• Jan. 01, 2013: Ed Smith states that he will hold a meeting in Houston on Jan. 02, 2013, between Himself and Quantra. This meeting will be to discuss setting up another meeting between Quantra, MABRC and select individuals, a.k.a the "Bridging Group".
  
• JRid posts on BFF an Archived Radio Broadcast from 2009, in which Ed Smith elaborates on the capabilities of Quantra/ORIG-6. This broadcast is consistent with Driveroperator's post on Dec. 30. Bigfoot Evidence reports same broadcast a few hours later.
  
• Driveroperator alludes on BFF to the possible involvement of legal council regarding Quantra's rights to possession of a specimen. This may explain the time delay & the 90 page document said to be forthcoming.
  
• Jan. 02, 2013: Ed Smith clears up background and explains the evolution of the ORIG-6 to Team Quantra: 1.) ORIG-6 founded in early 1990's, small scale and fun. 2.) Early 2000's ORIG-6 research & projects become larger scale in multiple states. 3.) ORIG-6 dabble in DNA, but decide capture of a live specimen is best. 4.) Ed Smith designs a trap - Traps are fabricated in Tulsa by business associate. 5.) ORIG-6 use Oil & Gas business as cover to hide their growing Capture Project needs. 6.) Capture Project grows to 42+ participants. 7.) ORIG-6 cease operations in late 2011. 8.) Team Quantra formed in Virginia by former ORIG-6 members and like-minded business associates, June 2012. 9.) Quantra owns rights to past research and documentaries.
  
• Jan. 02, 2013: Ed Smith states a meeting between himself & Team Quantra to take place this evening.
  
• Jan. 03, 2013: Well over 24 hours pass without any update/communication from anyone at all.
  
• Jan. 04, 2013: Melissa Hovey states on BFF that she is in private communication with Ed Smith, and that her questions are being answered.
  
• Jan. 05, 2013: Ed answers Melissa: 1.) Ed Smith states that a "Bridging Group" of select "Independent Researchers", including Melissa Hovey are to have a meeting with Quantra, and will be shown extensive "Hard Evidence", which Ed has not yet witnessed. 2.) Ed Smith names Randy Harrington regarding the documentary DVDs. 3.) Ed Smith describes "The Trap".
  
• The Trap: 1.) Not a Clam Shell Trap. 2.) A Crate made of Steel, Aluminum and Carbon Fiber. 3.) Dimensions (in feet): 11.5W x 17.8L x 8.2H, weight 4200 lbs. 4.) Triggered by 2 weight sensing modules that blow explosive cylinder trip latches, snapping a sliding door shut. 5.) Oxygen is temporarily reduced by increasing Nitrogen levels to make specimen unconscious, then tranquillized. 6.) Powered by 6 to 8 12volt batteries in a 24volt configuration. 7.) Baited, variable camouflage capabilities & easily transportable. 8.) 8 traps in total, 6 in the field, 1 stand-by, 1 reserve. 9.) Equipped with remote communication, video, and monitoring. 10.) Research Team response time to capture site is 6 minutes; research sites all on private land. 11.) Cost per Trap: $31,817.09
  
• A False article regarding "Team Quantra & an African Sasquatch" is circulated. Article intended to be humorous. Only person laughing is Tim Fasano.
  
• Jan. 06, 2013: Ed answers Melissa, 1st Follow-up: 1.) Ed affirms he is not a member of Quantra. 2.) Ed reiterates that Quantra is unhappy with his leak. 3.) Melissa asks why are they involving you? Ed said to oversee the "Bridging Group" meeting & frame work. 4.) Ed is not Quantra's spokesperson. 5.) Ed states that long-term Examination Repositories have been built. 6.) Better than 90% chance capture is legitimate, according to Ed.
  
• Jan. 07, 2013: Ed answers Melissa, 2nd Follow-up: 1.) Ed's 90+% legit comment based on Quantra telling him it's legit at the Houston meeting. 2.) Quantra wants Ed involved because he "bring to the table an understanding of the Bigfoot Community" needed to oversee the "Bridging Group" meeting. 3.) Ed states that he too is an outsider looking in, but he is the closest to the window. 4.) Mr. Alexander is a successful trader in Mortgages & Loans. 5.) ORIG-6 contracted 18 to 20 Scientifically Qualified Specialists & Field Specialists for Consultation & Examination; Compensated well over normal rates; Signed 25 year NDA. 6.) Ed elaborates on The Trap.
  
• The Trap, 1st Follow-up: 1.) "Knock Down" system: Oxygen Reduced, not Removed. 2.) Oxygen reduced to 9.71% for 57 seconds. 3.) Oxygen levels return to normal in 88 seconds. 4.) Specimen is never without survivable levels of Oxygen, no need for resuscitation. 5.) At 3.5 minutes Nitrogen releases again.
  
• Jan. 07, 2013: Ed Smith Announces "Bridging Group" Meeting Participants: 1.) Team Independent: Dr. Jeff Meldrum, Kathy Strain, Melissa Hovey, Abe Del Rio, Steve Kulls. 2.) Team MABRC: D.W. Lee "Darkwing", Randy Harrington "Driveroperator", Jim Whitehead "Biggjimm", Rob Gaudet "ElectricBigfoot", Doug Todd "Holotype". 3.) Team Quantra: Possibly Mr. Alexander, and ??? 4.) Team Ed Smith: Ed Smith.
  
• Dr. Jeff Meldrum confirms he was in fact invited to attend the Bridging Group Meeting.
  
• Bridging Group Meeting Date & Location: To Be Announced or To Be Kept Secret.
  
• Jan. 08, 2013: Ed answers Melissa, 3rd Follow-up: 1.) Everyone involved in Quantra is paid for their participation. 2.) Quantra's business structure is unknown. 3.) Quantra plans on making money from media, books, movies, merchandise & potentially from the sale of the specimen itself. 4.) The Bridging Groups purpose is to bring Quantra & the "Bigfoot Community" together to work towards a common goal. 5.) Possibly up to 25 specialists in various fields might be working on the specimen right now. 6.) No update on the Bridging Group Meeting, re: Date & Location.
  

Sorry this update hasn't been as prompt as the last ones, but unfortunately I do have to work. Unless, maybe Quantra's willing to put me on the Payroll too...

Edited January 9, 2013 by Mounty

[Guest]

I really hope something pans out, I've been waiting for solid evidence for well over 25 years so that I could say "I told you so" to those who have laughed at my interest in Bigfoot.

But what I am seeing, is that people might be taking advantage of the overwhelming desire of people like us to believe, for their 15 minutes in the sun.

We all hope there will be proof, but some people really seem to latch on to any "proof" and feed the root of the problem with that kind of "devout blind faith"

Whether it be the Sierra Kills, the Ketchum Study, Blobsquatches on youtube, or now the Ed Smith "commentary" - there seem to be a lot of people grasping at the glimmer of proof, and not looking at the reality of the situations with the common sense it deserves.

I think it discredits the whole community when so many people fall "hook line and sinker" for the next glimmer of proof. I think a healthy amount of skepticism is a good thing, and that common sense is not as common as it used to be... unfortunately.

I have been a member of this forum for a year or so now, and have bit my tongue through all of the ketchum study, but I could restrain myself no longer.

Edited January 9, 2013 by Scales

[Guest]

So true. We all know who they are. Their belief in what they want rather than what is hurts the very people who they claim to speak for.

Their blind faith damages the very subject they try so hard to defend.

Edited January 9, 2013 by rockiessquatching

[Guest]

So true. We all know who they are. Their belief in what they want rather than what is hurts the very people who they claim to speak for.

Their blind faith damages the very subject they try so hard to defend.

This event could be a poison pill..anyone buying into it will be DEAD MEAT if it's a hoax.

[Guest Claire]

Something I just don't understand about all of this is why they'd sit on it so long. If anyone in the bigfoot community had a live specimen, absolutely irrefutable physical evidence, they'd be shouting it to anyone who would listen, instantly generating interest with mainstream science and the media (the latter no doubt providing substantial financial return.)

Overnight it would legitimise Bigfoot to the entire world, vindicating the experiences of many thousands of people over the years in the process and making the discovering team world famous (likely preventing any possible legal fallout in the process.)

If this is real it's hugely significant but the way it's being handled makes Team Quantra feel like something pulled from the pages of a bad Tom Clancy novel. At this point it's going to take nothing less than long duration, high definition video of 'daisy' along with multiple physical samples being independently analysed to prove this story. I fear those attending the bridging meeting in good faith are going to find nothing but smoke and mirrors, assuming the meeting actually does end up going ahead.

Additionally I'd like to thank Melissa for passing on questions to Ed Smith and relaying his answers to us, it's a very gracious thing to do for a community hungry for more information. Thank you to Mounty too for your overview posts, you summarise most efficiently for anyone falling behind with the thread.

Edited January 9, 2013 by Claire

[Guest SquatchinNY]

Keep us updated Mounty, your doing a great job.

[Guest]

I don't have a clue. Didn't know the original players had sold their "franchise". But I have really been wondering and thinking about when this deal was done, and when and where the "capture" actually occurred. This whole thing hinges on whether or not the animal allegely captured is actually a Bigfoot or some other unclassified primate. Since there is no known BF body to compare it with, they may have captured a Skunk/Swamp ape and not know the difference. I guess they've already decided whatever it is, it's gotta be a BF. Wonder how the DNA's of all those samples are gonna pair up?

Hype check: This whole thing hinges on whether or not its a hoax or not..

[adam2323]

If this is real it's hugely significant but the way it's being handled makes Team Quantra feel like something pulled from the pages of a bad Tom Clancy novel.

What Tom Clancy Novel is bad!!!!!!!?

[Guest Claire]

What Tom Clancy Novel is bad!!!!!!!?

I think that was probably a subjective example and with many apologies to Mr Clancy!