Guest thermalman Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Infrared eyesight........snakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Texar Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Re: infrared vision - Though rare, there are cases of humans exhibiting tetrachromancy, or the presence of a fourth set of cone cells. Though this normally manifests itself in greater color differentiation, it could also (theoretically?) result in a greater range of vision into the infrared or ultraviolet spectra. Example: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Half-of-the-Women-See-More-Colors-than-the-Rest-of-the-People-58351.shtml Related: Mice can be bred for trichromancy (they are normally dichromats) Also, color blindness cured in primates http://www.klab.caltech.edu/~koch/CR/CR-color-blindness-10.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oonjerah Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I have a neighbor who once saw Bigfoot for a split second about a quarter mile from here (El Dorado Co, CA). He watches all the Bigfoot shows he finds on TV and loves Finding Bigfoot. He thinks they are shooting it straight and getting closer. (eyeroll) He is a sweet guy who cannot stand ridicule; so he only talks about Bigfoot to me. Noisy AP Finding Bigfoot vs Patterson/Gimlin already-found-her: Patty looked real to me and I never doubted her. However, years passed as I mulled it over, and there was a real problem with PGF: Two cowboys riding thru the woods on horses = A whole lotta Noise. How did they manage to "sneak up" on her? Clearly, they could not. I don't know who said it in which thread here, but it was suggested that Patty had a young one nearby and chose to lead the men away from it. That may be it, but if so, I think it was a grandchild of hers. http://themunnsreport.com/tmr_v2_design_003.htm Links to The Munns Report: Release Number 1H - Two Year Review, Part 2. On page 6, Bill explains why Patty looks old to him. I watch the film again and wonder why I never noticed that. He's right; she doesn't look the strong, young acrobat. If she was old or injured, she may well have been hard of hearing. Thank you, Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wudewasa Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Oonjerah, Good critical thought! If Patty was the real McCoy, the above variables that you addressed make sense. However, remember that the cowboys were on horseback, and perhaps the equines masked their presence via scent and sound long enough for Gimlin and Co. to get the jump on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UPs Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Plus she was near a creek and running water can make a lot of noise. It's something that I use when deer hunting to mask my own sounds and you would be surprised at how close you can get to animals using this technique. Of course prey animals are also aware of this and can be on a higher alert when near running water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BFSleuth Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Patty looked real to me and I never doubted her. However, years passed as I mulled it over, and there was a real problem with PGF: Two cowboys riding thru the woods on horses = A whole lotta Noise. How did they manage to "sneak up" on her? Clearly, they could not. As I understand it, when Roger and Bob came into view of Patty she was in the stream just past a log jam from their view as they came around a bend. The sound of running water would have masked the sound of approaching horses. There have been a number of bigfoot sighting reports from horseback. Deer and other wild game will often allow you to ride right past them without spooking, but if you try to walk past them on your own two legs they run away. "Sneaking up" on game with a horse is routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Two cowboys riding thru the woods on horses = A whole lotta Noise. Horses are not that loud. And something on four feet sounds more natural than men on two feet bushwacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Horses are not that loud. And something on four feet sounds more natural than men on two feet bushwacking. Precisely. When I started bushwhacking, long ago, a fundamental motivation was to surprise the critters in their strongholds. No soap. Except for flushing a mourning dove from a nest full of eggs at waist level (sorry!), all my significant wildlife sightings have been on trails. The animals that I have seen bushwhacking were on trails I wasn't on. As noted above, it's well known that one will see more critters on horseback than one will walking. In fact it was the key ingredient in Patterson's success. Edited December 6, 2012 by DWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pruitt Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I can't believe they do when no other mammal on earth can, especially primates. Many mammals can see into the near IR range. Infrared just means that it's below the human range of detection, not the mammalian range of detection. I have several units of two different models of Reconyx game cams which utilize an IR flash. I can assure you, after years of deploying them and thousands of pictures of wildlife, that many animals can see into the IR range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Many mammals can see into the near IR range. Infrared just means that it's below the human range of detection, not the mammalian range of detection. I have several units of two different models of Reconyx game cams which utilize an IR flash. I can assure you, after years of deploying them and thousands of pictures of wildlife, that many animals can see into the IR range. Anyone can see most game camera's IR it's just red LED's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oonjerah Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 @BFSleuth, @madison5716 @DWA (Sorry, folks, I don't know how to use the multi-quoting options yet.) Thanks for the info on hunting from horseback. I never thought of it as 4-footed, hooved animals can easily approach each other as non- threatening. Makes sense. Explains the Patty surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyInIndiana Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Anyone can see most game camera's IR it's just red LED's. Eh, not completely. That's a simplification of a misunderstanding. You're only SEEING the red because the LED's emit over a broad enough spectrum/range that while it's throwing out a lot more light you CAN'T see, it's also throwing off just enough at the top end of the visible spectrum that you CAN see it. There are other IR emiters beginning in the 940nm range and UP, that you'll NOT see any visible light (red glow) from. Still, in game cams, they aren't sitting around putting out IR light all the time and thus the bigfoot sees them and avoids them. If they're close enough to SEE the red flash, they've just gotten their picture taken. Edited December 6, 2012 by GuyInIndiana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 The kind used on the show can't be seen. Look at your television remote and push the button. After that watch it through the camera on your phone while pushing the button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) No they have a small crew when they go out, and it's ten times more stealthy than Roger Patterson's old horseback film crew. A dozen or more people running around with blaring walkie-talkies, cameras, lights, sound gear, etc is more stealthy than 2 guys on horseback with a tiny hand-held camera? Edited December 7, 2012 by Mulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyInIndiana Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 The kind used on the show can't be seen. And you know this how? A dozen or more people running around with blaring walkie-talkies, cameras, lights, sound gear, etc is more stealthy than 2 guys on horseback with a tiny hand-held camera? This has been said to him repeatidly... he just doesn't get that it's an entertainment show: not legit research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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